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"What credentials do naturopaths have? "
snip In Australia (where I am...), it varies. I don't think you actually need to do a course to hang a shingle in front of your house saying "I'm a naturopath" (could be wrong, though...) However - there are quite a few (respected) private colleges that run 1-3 year courses covering alternative medicines (naturopathy, homeopathy, etc, etc). Most pharmacies & health food shops here, who have a naturopath attached, will generally list their qualifications (so you know you aren't getting someone with a degree printed off the internet!!) They don't generally have university degrees or anything - but will preferably have done a reputable college diploma/certificate. I'm pretty open-minded with all this... Will use alternative medicine for preventative purposes, but 'modern/Western' medicine for fixing anything that actually goes wrong. Let me know if you turn up anything about the Magnesium!! Cheers, Absent Husband |
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"Absent Husband" writes:
"What credentials do naturopaths have? " snip In Australia (where I am...), it varies. I don't think you actually need to do a course to hang a shingle in front of your house saying "I'm a naturopath" (could be wrong, though...) However - there are quite a few (respected) private colleges that run 1-3 year courses covering alternative medicines (naturopathy, homeopathy, etc, etc). Most pharmacies & health food shops here, who have a naturopath attached, will generally list their qualifications (so you know you aren't getting someone with a degree printed off the internet!!) They don't generally have university degrees or anything - but will preferably have done a reputable college diploma/certificate. I'm pretty open-minded with all this... Will use alternative medicine for preventative purposes, but 'modern/Western' medicine for fixing anything that actually goes wrong. Let me know if you turn up anything about the Magnesium!! There doesn't seem to be much info about magnesium and exercise induced cramps. It is well known that low magnsium can cause cramps, so that has been one thing people have looked at as a possible cause. At this point in time, we still don't know what causes cramps during exercise, but we are starting to figure out what isn't responsible. Here are some typical reviews and papers: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15273192 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8784961 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=9232553 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=6538834 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12480801 Shorter versions: http://tinyurl.com/5pbvk http://tinyurl.com/77549 http://tinyurl.com/bsb86 http://tinyurl.com/anyff http://tinyurl.com/dxlxu |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:00:53 -0500, Jim Smith
wrote: There doesn't seem to be much info about magnesium and exercise induced cramps. It is well known that low magnsium can cause cramps, so that has been one thing people have looked at as a possible cause. At this point in time, we still don't know what causes cramps during exercise, but we are starting to figure out what isn't responsible. Good links, Jim. Are you unlurking? Enjoying your posts... Has anyone signed you up for your Animal Warrior Power name yet? -B |
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Absent Husband wrote:
:: Lat tmonth, when I went to buy some Potassium tablets (use them :: occasionally on loooong rides for cramps and 'salt' replacement) - :: the consulting naturopath (who happened to be at the pharmacy at the :: time), asked me what they were for. :: :: When I told her, she told me to buy magnesium tablets instead. She :: said that all the research was showing that potassium had litle/no :: effect on cramps, and that magnesium was proving to be the main :: culprit. :: :: Took her advice and gave it a go. And am having much greater :: results!! I suspect that this type of thing is very individual, but :: reckon that its worth a shot for those not getting good results from :: there potassium tablets (or whatever you're using) Thanks for the info....I had big problems with cramps on two rides last year and ended up in the sag wagon. So, I'm going to try the magnesium this time. |
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jj writes:
Has anyone signed you up for your Animal Warrior Power name yet? hmm. whatever that was it went right over my head. |
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Matt O'Toole wrote: I'm a V-8 drinker too. Call me un-American, but I hate soft drinks, and most "juice" drinks aren't much better. V-8 is the only thing I'll drink that's available in most convenience stores. It seems to do the trick with salt depletion too. V-8 is the distance rider's resuscitation drink. It's probably the highest saline solution that's drinkable (subjective). A salt-rich meal might be: V-8, doritos and a turkey sandwich (turkey is also loaded with potassium, although potassium depletion isn't an issue). Fast food french fries are also a great source of salt (& potassium) but most can't tolerate the grease when riding hard. Last year we had Hammergel as a sponsor for our big club ride. We got free samples of their electrolyte capsules. As a believer in real food vs. artificial yuppie power food, I had never tried such a thing. It sat around for months, but I tried it one day when I was feeling really bad. Well, the stuff is like magic. I felt much better, instantly. So I bought some more. I use it occasionally when I feel sick or overtired. It's great stuff. I recommend it. Their listed ingredients don't sound too magical. I just make up my own capsules 2/3 table salt, 1/3 bicarb. I've found that salt depletion isn't a problem until after 8-10 hr or so of hot, hard riding, an observation that squares with the theory given the amount of sodium reserves and sweat loss rate. The ingredients for Hammergel Electrolytes: Sodium Chloride 100 mg. Calcium (Chelate) 50 mg. Magnesium (Chelate) 25 mg. Potassium (Chelate) 25 mg. Vitamin B-6 (Pyrodoxine HCL) 6.6 mg. Manganese (Chelate) 1.6 mg. L-Tyrosine 50 mg. |
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Peter Cole wrote: V-8 is the distance rider's resuscitation drink. It's probably the highest saline solution that's drinkable (subjective). A salt-rich meal might be: V-8, doritos and a turkey sandwich (turkey is also loaded with potassium, although potassium depletion isn't an issue). Fast food french fries are also a great source of salt (& potassium) but most can't tolerate the grease when riding hard. What's interesting to me is that my cravings during hot, humid, hard rides seem to be sodium and potassium foods. I didn't know french fries had any potassium, but I know they taste wonderful to me in those conditions. How about Pringles potato chips? That's something else that I seem to crave. And beer, of course. And, as mentioned, orange juice with salt mixed into it. While we're at it, I wonder what foods are rich in magnesium. I'd be interested to know if I crave those. Yeah, I could go googling, but I'm hoping others have the knowledge at hand. - Frank Krygowski |
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Jim Smith wrote:
writes: Later, someone told me that salt substitute is a better choice, because it contains a better balance of sodium and potassium. You can get it at any pharmacy. That's my fix for long hot rides these days. The answer to low sodium is to replace the sodium. At least some of the salt replacements, such as NoSalt and NuSalt, contain no sodium. All of them contain mostly potasium salts. Potasium loss during exercise has never been shown to be a problem. Although unlikely, it is possible to kill yourself by taking too much oral potasium. For a humorous yet factual take on the last point see: http://www.macrobiotic.org/SaltSubDanger.htm Fact: Potassium loss can kill you, since it plays a part in regulating the heartbeat. Sodium is also needed, although not in the huge quantities that the average American takes in. One Chinese take out (MSG) or McBurger Fries with salt will top the daily requirement. Almost any canned food (Campbells' soup comes to mind) will top you daily allotment of sodium. I avoid Sodium, even on long sweaty rides, drinking Orange Juice instead and the only thing I have ever noticed after a day of climbing in 100F heat was low blood pressure (80/50), normal for a child but not for an adult. After just chilling in the A/C indoors it went back to about 110/70. The only noticeable side effect was right after riding I could not sit down and then jump up again without nearly fainting. Side note: A woman killed her baby a few years back with the best of intentions at heart by feeding the infant a low to no sodium diet and substituting potassium instead. The electrolyte imbalance killed the kid. Bill Baka |
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