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jimmyboy This women hates MTB riders!! 12 Hours Ago, 08:35 PM

NoBalance As mentioned previously, I... 12 Hours Ago, 09:21 PM

zon Problem is you can't ignore... 55 Minutes Ago, 08:28 AM

NoBalance I agree about the squeaky... 14 Minutes Ago, 09:09 AM

TahoeBC I know this has to be really... 11 Hours Ago, 09:34 PM

0gre I've been reading her... 11 Hours Ago, 09:36 PM

Fast Eddy I see the econazi site is... 11 Hours Ago, 09:51 PM

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12 Hours Ago
#1
This women hates MTB riders!!

jimmyboy
Enter here

mtbr member

Go to www.savethesummit.com Check out this crazy women. She has all
her facts wrong

Join Date: Feb 2006

about us. She says she talks with my Jim.? Not sure where she gets her
information,but

Posts: 232

we need to let her know that this is Bull sh*%#!~.I have been told she
is part of the ELF.
There just another terrorist group. My son said that there has been
calls from these
people non-stop along with a few threats, as I take them to be left on
his message
recorder about the Tahoe-Sierra 100 and Royal Gorge? Hell we are just
using there
parking lot?
( I have been out allot as my Father is ill and has very little time
left so my son has been
fill ing me in) What has this world coming to?. Do we not have the
right to ride? What's
up with these nuts. If you know my me at all, I am coming out with
guns a "blazing".
There fight is with the Forest service and the Royal Gorge and we are
now we are in her
cross hairs. I here she lives in Palo Alto . This person is a lawyer
Named "Kathryn
Gray"a very very bad women and she hates us very much. Can anyone shed
some light
about this" ELF" group?

I am thinking this savethesummit group is apart of it?

Not sure.Just what people up at the summit have been telling me.

I know this for sure see needs to stop slandering us ( A false report
circulated to damage

the reputation of a person)

She has givin out my phone number to the Sierra Club and other groups
to call .

Let's give them what they want?" Hell is coming and I am coming with
it"

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12 Hours Ago #2
As mentioned previously, I would suggest the best remedy for this
woman's disease is to
NoBalance

ignore her. No need to scratch that itch, it'll only get worse.

Lusus Naturae

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55 Minutes Ago #3

zon Quote:

Make dust or eat dust

Originally Posted by NoBalance


As mentioned previously, I would suggest the best remedy for this
woman's
disease is to ignore her. No need to scratch that itch, it'll only get
worse.


Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,656


14 Minutes Ago

NoBalance

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Problem is you can't ignore people like that. I've seen to many
instances where the
squeaky hinge gets the grease. If all the powers that be hear is her
shrill voice they
eventually cave to it as being the voice of the public. We need to be
'noisier" and use the
system the same way they do.

The bleeding stops, the pain fades, but the memories are forever.


#4

Quote:

Originally Posted by zon

Problem is you can't ignore people like that. I've seen to many
instances where

the squeaky hinge gets the grease. If all the powers that be hear is
her shrill

voice they eventually cave to it as being the voice of the public. We
need to be

'noisier" and use the system the same way they do.


I agree about the squeaky hinge (from many years of tech support) but
my approach
would be more one of Judo than Karate. Instead of sending her nasty
emails and
threatening her, and trying to "come down" on her with the "wrath of
the mountain biking
community" (which she is probably hoping to provoke), we should use
the proper routes
that are already present to handle the situation.

We need to contact the local businesses and let them know someone in
their midst is
working against their own interests. This also brings in tax money to
the local government
and parks, so I am sure they are not interested in her attempting to
divert her hatred from
the developers she is fighting onto the MTB community and events.

We need to ignore the knee-jerk reaction to emailing or calling her or
her folks and
venting. This would only lead to validating her accusations, however
justified we might feel
our actions would be.

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11 Hours Ago #5
I know this has to be really frustrating but it might be better to
delete this thread.
TahoeBC

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0gre

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11 Hours Ago
Fast Eddy

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#6

I've been reading her occasional rants...

While I agree that repeatedly riding on wet/ muddy trails the
occasional foray onto wet/
muddy trails isn't bad, in particular since most of the riding was
done on roads... in any
case, here is a bit of her rant:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kathryn Gray

That mud you see on rider's goggles, bikes and garments after they've
churned
through the rain, or used trails soon after precipitation used to be
the surface of
a hiking path or trail-and while it will certainly wash off of the
bike rider and his
gear, the loss to the trail in terms of erosion will not be so easily
remedied.


If the biggest problem the Sierra had to worry about was being
destroyed by dirt carried
off by errant MTB riders then it must be in great shape indeed.

Quote:


Originally Posted by more interesting stuff

He also told me he "knew where I lived." About that time I became
aware that
there was an entire strand on a mountain biking forum discussing how
to
respond to my first YubaNet editorial, "Troubled Trails on Donner
Summit."
They'd decided not to "flame" me, such a relief, but I must say, as a
newbie in
questioning mountain bike riders' rights to ride absolutely anywhere
hikers hike
and equestrians ride, I was a little intimidated. Oh, was that what
they were
trying to do?

Here's what motivates me, despite the glimpse of bullying tactics on
the

part of mountain bike extremists.

Umm... wow I guess we're a scary crew.

Quote:

The wilderness loses when a 700 entrant mountain biking race is
allowed,
without serious inquiry into the impacts on trails, historical
resources, wildlife
habitat, wildlife migration routes, late season foraging areas, and
the
consequences to fish and amphibians from the erosion consequent to a
race
grinding over 100 miles of Sierra Nevada trails.


I'd understood there was only 20-30 miles of singletrack and that the
rest was forest
roads.

Hey Jim, Are you really getting 700 riders for this event? That would
be great indeed.

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#7
I see the econazi site is linking to your site as a .php?
http://globalbiorhythmevents.com/ind...d=19&Itemid=32
You should trap referrals from their site and forward them to a page
stating that you have
given in to them and decided to cancel the race. [snicker, snicker]

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59 Minutes Ago
zon

Make dust or eat dust


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Edit: Don't click the link to her site from here. Right click it and
choose, "copy link
location", then manually paste it into the location bar and click,
"go" instead. Otherwise
she'll be able to see references from mtbr.com in her log files. No
need to feed the fire.

Kathryn, if you're reading this, quit being such a twit. Live and let
live. Hike the PCT, no
bikes there. Focus on all the landowners bulldozing roads if you're
worried about "your
summit". The whole f'n sierra was dug up by gold miners for 100 years.
Not one stone
was left unturned. STFU.

Last edited by Fast Eddy : 11 Hours Ago at 10:08 PM.


#8

Quote:


Originally Posted by Fast Eddy

Focus on all the landowners bulldozing roads if you're worried about
"your
summit".


You know the difference between a Developer and a Conservationist?
A developer wants to build a home in the woods.
A conservationist already owns one.


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#9

Hey Jim you have our support. Don't let this eco-terrorist /
eco-extremest / eco-nazi /
NIMBY / it's my wilderness / nut-job get to you.
It burns me up that a few extremists like her think that the public
lands are for the public
until it conflicts with her ideas of who the public is. If the public
is tax paying citizens that
fund the precious lands she worships then I will go out on a limb and
say that most
mountain bikers fall into that category.
Why she doesn't think we have a right to access NF lands is beyond my
comprehension
as a tax paying citizen, a hiker, a equestrian, and a mountain biker.
I think it boils down to she doesn't have a life and has an extreme
guilt complex so this
"cause" of hers to "champion" the perceived protection of her beloved
Forrest's gives her
meaning in an otherwise pointless life.
Keep up the good fight for all users to have access to all public
lands.



The bleeding stops, the pain fades, but the memories are forever.


#10

The ELF is the Earth Liberation Front. They have been called domestic
terrorists by our
government. They destroy property, often by arson. They are opposed to
developments,
gas guzzlers and general destruction of the environment.

"The ELF gained national attention for a series of actions which
earned them the label of
eco-terrorists,[11] and one of the top domestic terror threats in the
United States.[9] This
came after the burning of a ski resort in Vail, Colorado, on October
19th, costing $12
million.[38] In a communique to the press, the ELF said:[39]
“ Vail, Inc. is already the largest ski operation in North America and
now wants to expand
even further. The 12 miles of roads and 885 acres of clearcuts will
ruin the last, best lynx
habitat in the state. Putting profits ahead of Colorado's wildlife
will not be tolerated."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

I dunno the person you are talking about, but generally if people have
ties to the ELF,
they don't let other people know about it.

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#11

It would be interesting to see what the local businesses
--specifically those who will profit
or benefit from this event --think about one of their neighbors in the
community trying to
deflect business from them for reasons that can only be described as
personal and
vindictive between two unrelated parties.

These people are pros at playing the victim, therefore it would do no
good to attempt an
offensive hand. The opposite approach would be more effective.

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10 Hours Ago #12
I wonder if MVD and K. G. have been shacking up. They're both crazy
enough to be
zorg

together. Otherwise, you gotta admire the complete lack of logical
argumentation.

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Posts: 141


#13

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyboy

Go to www.savethesummit.com Check out this crazy women. She has all
her
facts wrong about us. She says she talks with my Jim.? Not sure where
she
gets her information,but we need to let her know that this is Bull
sh*%#!~.I have
been told she is part of the ELF.
There just another terrorist group. My son said that there has been
calls from
these people non-stop along with a few threats, as I take them to be
left on his
message recorder about the Tahoe-Sierra 100 and Royal Gorge? Hell we
are
just using there parking lot?
( I have been out allot as my Father is ill and has very little time
left so my son
has been fill ing me in) What has this world coming to?. Do we not
have the
right to ride? What's up with these nuts. If you know my me at all, I
am coming
out with guns a "blazing".
There fight is with the Forest service and the Royal Gorge and we are
now we
are in her cross hairs. I here she lives in Palo Alto . This person is
a lawyer
Named "Kathryn Gray"a very very bad women and she hates us very much.
Can
anyone shed some light about this" ELF" group?

I am thinking this
savethesummit group is apart of it? Not sure.Just what people up at
the summit
have been telling me.
I know this for sure see needs to stop slandering us ( A false report
circulated to
damage the reputation of a person)
She has givin out my phone number to the Sierra Club and other groups
to call .
Let's give them what they want?" Hell is coming and I am coming with
it"
great movie "Tombstone"

Thanks

Dude, I would report her to the CA Bar Association.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_home.jsp


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They do not take kindly to such douchebaggery amongst their members.

edit: I didn't find her name on there...it's either the wrong name or
she's not an attorney,
in which case, beat the crap out of her.


27 Minutes Ago #14

velocipus Man you'd think this woman saw a motorcycle at Waterdog or
something!

Ellwood's a punk!

There are thousands of twits like her running around saying wheels are
destroying the
forests. Sounds like she is calling for her fellow extremists to
pressure the county and the
fire dept to disrupt your plans Jimmy. You need to to come out
prepared and with lots of
support. Tell us what you need Jimmy and I'm certain most of us here
will respond. We
got your back.


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22 Minutes Ago #15
Another pull-up-the-drawbridge NIMBY type... she doesn't hate MTBs,
she hates

chucko58

everybody for wanting to share her precious summit.

50-year-old teenager

If she really is a lawyer, "Kathryn Gray" is likely a pen name.

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,030
16 Minutes Ago #16
the domain name is by proxy. dang.

crash bandicoot

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