Tour de France, stage 21 summary

Changes in stage 21 compared to stage 20

Biggest gainers by position :
+2 Ruben Perez
+1 Robert Forster
+1 Remi Pauriol
+1 Matteo Tosatto
+1 Manuel Quinziato
+1 Geoffroy Lequatre
+1 Filippo Pozzato
+1 Christophe Riblon
+1 Brett Lancaster

Biggest losers by position :
-2 Sebastian Langeveld
-1 David Le Lay
-1 David Millar
-1 Jimmy Engoulvent
-1 Laurent Lefevre
-1 Marco Marzano
-1 Matteo Bono
-1 Ronny Scholz
-1 Thomas Voeckler

Biggest gainers by time :
+0:14 Thor Hushovd
+0:14 Steven De Jongh
+0:14 Stefan Schumacher
+0:14 Sebastien Rosseler
+0:14 Ruben Perez
+0:14 Robert Hunter
+0:14 Robert Forster
+0:14 Robbie McEwen
+0:14 Oscar Freire
+0:14 Murilo Fischer

Biggest losers by time :
-1:23 Chris Froome
-1:14 Dario Cioni
-1:12 Philippe Gilbert
-0:54 Bernhard Eisel
-0:54 Wim Vansevenant
-0:29 Giampaolo Cheula
-0:29 Sebastian Langeveld
-0:22 Jose Vicente Garcia
-0:22 Martyn Maaskant
-0:20 Daniele Righi
-0:20 David Millar

Favourites by position :

Favourites by time :
+0:14 Alejandro Valverde
+0:07 Vladimir Efimkin
+0:07 Samuel Sanchez
+0:07 Kim Kirchen
+0:07 George Hincapie
+0:07 Christian Vande Velde
+0:07 Cadel Evans
-0:10 Denis Menchov

Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Carlos Sastre 87.52.52
2 Cadel Evans 0.58
3 Bernhard Kohl 1.13
4 Denis Menchov 2.10
5 Christian Vande Velde 3.05
6 Frank Schleck 4.28
7 Samuel Sanchez 6.25
8 Kim Kirchen 6.55
9 Alejandro Valverde 7.12
.....
11 Vladimir Efimkin 9.55
12 Andy Schleck 11.32
.....
35 George Hincapie 1.08.15
.....
37 Jens Voigt 1.11.55

Retirements to date : Stage
Christophe Brandt (Bel) Silence-Lotto 19
Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 15
Mark Cavendish (GBr) Columbia 15
Mauricio Soler (Col) Barloworld 5
Felix Rafael Cardenas (Col) Barloworld 11
Baden Cooke (Aus) Barloworld 12
Moises Duenas (Spa) Barloworld 11
Paolo Longo Borghini (Ita) Barloworld 11
Manuel Beltran (Spa) Liquigas 8
Francesco Chicchi (Ita) Liquigas 16
Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre 19
Mark Renshaw (Aus) Credit Agricole 15
Stijn Devolder (Bel) Quick Step 15
Mauro Facci (Ita) Quick Step 7
John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 7
Fabian Wegmann (Ger) Gerolsteiner 19
Christophe Moreau (Fra) Agritubel 7
Jimmy Casper (Fra) Agritubel 17
Romain Feillu (Fra) Agritubel 19
Nicolas Jalabert (Fra) Agritubel 14
Juan Antonio Flecha (Spa) Rabobank 19
Iouri Trofimov (Rus) Bouygues Telecom 10
Sebastien Chavanel (Fra) Francaise des Jeux 16
Lilian Jegou (Fra) Francaise des Jeux 7
Riccardo Ricco (Ita) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Rubens Bertogliati (Swi) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Juan Jose Cobo (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
David De La Fuente (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Jesus Del Nero (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Angel Gomez Gomez (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 3
Josep Jufre (Spa) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Aurelien Passeron (Fra) Saunier Duval-Scott 6
Leonardo Piepoli (Ita) Saunier Duval-Scott 12
Herve Duclos-Lassalle (Fra) Cofidis 1
Magnus Backstedt (Swe) Garmin Chipotle - H30 7
Total retirements : 35

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
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Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Carlos Sastre 87.52.52
2 Cadel Evans 0.58
3 Bernhard Kohl 1.13
4 Denis Menchov 2.10
5 Christian Vande Velde 3.05
6 Frank Schleck 4.28
7 Samuel Sanchez 6.25
8 Kim Kirchen 6.55
9 Alejandro Valverde 7.12
.....
11 Vladimir Efimkin 9.55
12 Andy Schleck 11.32
.....
35 George Hincapie 1.08.15
.....
37 Jens Voigt 1.11.55


Surprise results for the year:

1) Bernhard Kohl who demonstrated that he can win the yellow on a good
climbing year.
2) Christian Vande Velde demonstrated that he probably has two more good
years and possibly a tour win - remember that this was the first real time
he served as a team leader.
3) George Hincapie is converting into a Jens Voigt-like rider. Will this
effect his spring classics?
4) Sammy Sanchez ain't going to get any better.
5) We've seen the best from the Schlecks - from here on out they're going to
be the same.
6) Valverde is a spectacularly good rider when he's on the boil. But I don't
think that he can go three weeks on the boil.
7) Kim Kirchen is also a rider to watch. He can improve and he doesn't need
much improvement to ride on the front.

Of course there is a small problem with all this - if Contador was here
these guys would all be also-rans. This was an asterisk Tour.

Bob Martin wrote:
Changes in stage 21 compared to stage 20


Just wanted to say thanks for providing this service again. One of the most
useful contributions to the group each year.
--
John Dean
Oxford

On Jul 27, 9:27*am, Bob Martin wrote:


Favourites by time :

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* * +0:07 * George Hincapie

snip



Dumbass -


Your program is interesting, but it has a few glaring shortcomings.
Like the "Hincapie as a favorite" feature.

Typically riders who are 68 minutes behind the yellow are not
considered favorites. Unless you've got a program that has a retarded
feature or two.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On Jul 27, 4:59 pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote in message

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Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Carlos Sastre 87.52.52
2 Cadel Evans 0.58
3 Bernhard Kohl 1.13
4 Denis Menchov 2.10
5 Christian Vande Velde 3.05
6 Frank Schleck 4.28
7 Samuel Sanchez 6.25
8 Kim Kirchen 6.55
9 Alejandro Valverde 7.12
.....
11 Vladimir Efimkin 9.55
12 Andy Schleck 11.32
.....
35 George Hincapie 1.08.15
.....
37 Jens Voigt 1.11.55

Surprise results for the year:

1) Bernhard Kohl who demonstrated that he can win the yellow on a good
climbing year.
2) Christian Vande Velde demonstrated that he probably has two more good
years and possibly a tour win - remember that this was the first real time
he served as a team leader.
3) George Hincapie is converting into a Jens Voigt-like rider. Will this
effect his spring classics?
4) Sammy Sanchez ain't going to get any better.
5) We've seen the best from the Schlecks - from here on out they're going to
be the same.
6) Valverde is a spectacularly good rider when he's on the boil. But I don't
think that he can go three weeks on the boil.
7) Kim Kirchen is also a rider to watch. He can improve and he doesn't need
much improvement to ride on the front.

Of course there is a small problem with all this - if Contador was here
these guys would all be also-rans. This was an asterisk Tour.

8) Cadel Evans probably won't ever win the Tour de France. (If not
this year, then when?)

On Jul 27, 11:34*pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
On Jul 27, 9:27*am, Bob Martin wrote:



Favourites by time :

snip

* * +0:07 * George Hincapie

snip

Dumbass -

Your program is interesting, but it has a few glaring shortcomings.
Like the "Hincapie as a favorite" feature.

Typically riders who are 68 minutes behind the yellow are not
considered favorites. Unless you've got a program that has a retarded
feature or two.

Bob has probably addressed the favorites issue ten or twenty times,
which, coincidentally enough, is the number of times you've been a
dumbass for not paying attention.

Jorge Jincapie is one of my favorite riders, regardless. He's a class
act.

R

In article ,
RicodJour wrote:

Jorge Jincapie is one of my favorite riders, regardless. He's a class
act.

Si.

--
tanx,
Howard

The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

in 43878 20080728 002417 "John Dean" wrote:
Bob Martin wrote:
Changes in stage 21 compared to stage 20


Just wanted to say thanks for providing this service again. One of the most
useful contributions to the group each year.
--
John Dean
Oxford

Thanks, John!

In article
,
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

On Jul 27, 9:27*am, Bob Martin wrote:


Favourites by time :

snip

* * +0:07 * George Hincapie

snip



Dumbass -


Your program is interesting, but it has a few glaring shortcomings.
Like the "Hincapie as a favorite" feature.

Typically riders who are 68 minutes behind the yellow are not
considered favorites. Unless you've got a program that has a retarded
feature or two.

:% s/favorite/rider of interest/g

--
Michael Press

On Jul 27, 4:59*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Bob Martin" wrote in message

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Top 3 and favourites standings :
* * * *1 *Carlos Sastre * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *87.52.52
* * * *2 *Cadel Evans * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *0.58
* * * *3 *Bernhard Kohl * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *1.13
* * * *4 *Denis Menchov * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *2.10
* * * *5 *Christian Vande Velde * * * * * * * * * * * * *3.05
* * * *6 *Frank Schleck * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *4.28
* * * *7 *Samuel Sanchez * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 6.25
* * * *8 *Kim Kirchen * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *6.55
* * * *9 *Alejandro Valverde * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 7.12
* * * *.....
* * * 11 *Vladimir Efimkin * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 9.55
* * * 12 *Andy Schleck * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *11.32
* * * *.....
* * * 35 *George Hincapie * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 1.08.15
* * * *.....
* * * 37 *Jens Voigt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *1.11.55

Surprise results for the year:

1) Bernhard Kohl who demonstrated that he can win the yellow on a good
climbing year.
2) Christian Vande Velde demonstrated that he probably has two more good
years and possibly a tour win - remember that this was the first real time
he served as a team leader.
3) George Hincapie is converting into a Jens Voigt-like rider. Will this
effect his spring classics?
4) Sammy Sanchez ain't going to get any better.
5) We've seen the best from the Schlecks - from here on out they're going to
be the same.
6) Valverde is a spectacularly good rider when he's on the boil. But I don't
think that he can go three weeks on the boil.
7) Kim Kirchen is also a rider to watch. He can improve and he doesn't need
much improvement to ride on the front.

Of course there is a small problem with all this - if Contador was here
these guys would all be also-rans. This was an asterisk Tour.- Hide quoted text -

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Tom, What makes you say Sanchez won't get better?