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Dragging the wheel sucker
wrote in message ... someone wrote: The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road toward Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. OK, I just read Lance Armstrong's book, "Its Not about the bike". He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... Did I read that wrong? I'm interested, because I'll feel bad drafting someone at the end of a long ride if I'm making his job harder... Of course, some days I can pull and other days I'm shot. To bad. Driving a truck right behind someone helps push him along, as I and Tom Sherman mentioned. A following bicyclist does the same but it isn't significant, his cross section being small and several diameters behind the lead rider. A van, in contrast pushes a lot of air ahead of itself and can assist a bicyclist is directly behind the rider's rear wheel. I guess Lance was cooking up more myth and lore. I like his noted interview about drugs: "I don't use any BANNED substances!" which in so many words didn't deny that he didn't use them but made clear these substances had not yet been identified by the medical rule makers. The only thing made clear is that your bias is showing. It could be taken to mean his caffeine intake. Depending on whether your belief system embraces the fact that Lance is a doper, or not, all statements are interpreted accordingly. Phil H |
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Philip Holman wrote:
The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road toward Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. OK, I just read Lance Armstrong's book, "Its Not about the bike". He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... Did I read that wrong? I'm interested, because I'll feel bad drafting someone at the end of a long ride if I'm making his job harder... Of course, some days I can pull and other days I'm shot. To bad. Driving a truck right behind someone helps push him along, as I and Tom Sherman mentioned. A following bicyclist does the same but it isn't significant, his cross section being small and several diameters behind the lead rider. A van, in contrast pushes a lot of air ahead of itself and can assist a bicyclist if directly behind the rider's rear wheel. I guess Lance was cooking up more myth and lore. I like his noted interview about drugs: "I don't use any BANNED substances!" which in so many words didn't deny that he used them but made clear these substances had not yet been identified by the medical rule makers. The only thing made clear is that your bias is showing. It could be taken to mean his caffeine intake. Depending on whether your belief system embraces the fact that Lance is a doper, or not, all statements are interpreted accordingly. I saw the interview on TV and the emphasis was his, not mine. You can make any inferences you like from his words in context of the interview. Jobst Brandt |
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Philip Holman wrote:
The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road toward Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. OK, I just read Lance Armstrong's book, "Its Not about the bike". He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... Did I read that wrong? I'm interested, because I'll feel bad drafting someone at the end of a long ride if I'm making his job harder... Of course, some days I can pull and other days I'm shot. To bad. Driving a truck right behind someone helps push him along, as I and Tom Sherman mentioned. A following bicyclist does the same but it isn't significant, his cross section being small and several diameters behind the lead rider. A van, in contrast pushes a lot of air ahead of itself and can assist a bicyclist if directly behind the rider's rear wheel. I guess Lance was cooking up more myth and lore. I like his noted interview about drugs: "I don't use any BANNED substances!" which in so many words didn't deny that he used them but made clear these substances had not yet been identified by the medical rule makers. The only thing made clear is that your bias is showing. It could be taken to mean his caffeine intake. Depending on whether your belief system embraces the fact that Lance is a doper, or not, all statements are interpreted accordingly. I saw the interview on TV and the emphasis was his, not mine. You can make any inferences you like from his words in context of the interview. Jobst Brandt |
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On Sep 27, 2:30*pm, wrote:
I guess Lance was cooking up more myth and lore. *I like his noted interview about drugs: "I don't use any BANNED substances!" which in so many words didn't deny that he didn't use them but made clear these substances had not yet been identified by the medical rule makers. Jobst Brandt Then are they banned or not? |
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On Sep 27, 4:08*pm, "Philip Holman" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sep 27, 12:23 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote: On 9/27/2008 8:57 AM RicodJour wrote: On Sep 27, 11:14 am, Tom Sherman wrote: The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road towards Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. I bow before you. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Ok, I just read Lance Armstrongs book, "Its Not about the bike". *He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... *Did I read that wrong? Do you have a page number? Phil H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ---- (good book by the way) "Its Not About the Bike" Berkley Paperback edition, page 234: " Kevin's (Livingston) job was to get behind Zulle and stay right behind his wheel, making it harder for Zulle to pull up the hill. It's called "sitting on him." While Kevin "sat" on Zulle's wheel and slowed him down, the rest of my Postal teammates pulled me...." I also can't imagine the physics at work here. |
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wrote in message ... On Sep 27, 4:08 pm, "Philip Holman" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sep 27, 12:23 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel wrote: On 9/27/2008 8:57 AM RicodJour wrote: On Sep 27, 11:14 am, Tom Sherman wrote: The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road towards Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. I bow before you. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Ok, I just read Lance Armstrongs book, "Its Not about the bike". He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... Did I read that wrong? Do you have a page number? Phil H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ---- (good book by the way) "Its Not About the Bike" Berkley Paperback edition, page 234: " Kevin's (Livingston) job was to get behind Zulle and stay right behind his wheel, making it harder for Zulle to pull up the hill. It's called "sitting on him." While Kevin "sat" on Zulle's wheel and slowed him down, the rest of my Postal teammates pulled me...." I also can't imagine the physics at work here. The physics doesn't support slowing him down from a science perspective. However, from a psychological standpoint, towing another rider up a hill when attacking and not getting a gap will eventaully make the lead rider slow down. The reason being is that even for a small power saving at climbing speeds, the following rider is in a good position to counter attack. It's a bad tactic to tow somebody at max power output for any length of time. Knowing this, the tactic of the other teams is to get someone to sit on the attacking wheel. Now if a gap opens up, that's a totally different scenario. Phil H |
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wrote in message ... Philip Holman wrote: The best draft I ever had was a pick-up truck pulling a wagon full of hay bales at 40 to 50 kph, which I followed at a spacing of about 1 meter for several kilometers at low effort. I doubt I had any effect on the farmer's fuel economy. My best draft was behind a Winnebago on a fully loaded touring bike going down San Marcos Pass Road toward Santa Barbara. I thought I'd bought it a couple of times. OK, I just read Lance Armstrong's book, "Its Not about the bike". He says that in a race, the support guys would chase down someone who did a breakaway, and their technique was to get right behind the breakaway racer and pace him, thereby slowing him down and making him work harder... Did I read that wrong? I'm interested, because I'll feel bad drafting someone at the end of a long ride if I'm making his job harder... Of course, some days I can pull and other days I'm shot. To bad. Driving a truck right behind someone helps push him along, as I and Tom Sherman mentioned. A following bicyclist does the same but it isn't significant, his cross section being small and several diameters behind the lead rider. A van, in contrast pushes a lot of air ahead of itself and can assist a bicyclist if directly behind the rider's rear wheel. I guess Lance was cooking up more myth and lore. I like his noted interview about drugs: "I don't use any BANNED substances!" which in so many words didn't deny that he used them but made clear these substances had not yet been identified by the medical rule makers. The only thing made clear is that your bias is showing. It could be taken to mean his caffeine intake. Depending on whether your belief system embraces the fact that Lance is a doper, or not, all statements are interpreted accordingly. I saw the interview on TV and the emphasis was his, not mine. You can make any inferences you like from his words in context of the interview. I personally wouldn't make any inferences from such emphasis and especially not to interpret it as "substances not yet identified by the medical rule makers". That's a stretch don't you think? This is similar to those who interpret his statement that "I've never tested positive for illegal performance enhancing drugs" as "I've taken them, but I've never been caught by drug testing". Other than an admission by Lance, the issue of whether he took drugs or not isn't even testable any more.....we'll never know for sure. Of course his comeback will open up a new chapter in this ongoing debate. Phil H |
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