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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:06:52 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:11:50 -0000, "pk" said in : A cyclist was clearly at fault and injures pedestrian and the gist of the thread is to defend cyclists. Up to a point, Lord Copper. What actually happened was that a mission poster trolled the group, causing some people (for perfectly good reasons) to become defensive. Ah - you mean that someone (must be a troll) posted a link which would provide a starting point to a discussion on cycling on pavements and the likely hood of being injured by a bike or a vehicle on a pavement - then yes you are quite right. eg It has given you the opportunity to misrepresent facts and state that you are at vastly greater risk from vehicles than push-bikes whilst on a pavement. Which is of course a misrepresentation of the reality - see below. The fact that you are at vastly greater risk from motor vehicles on the footway than from cyclists *even though* it is asserted that pavement cycling is a plague of epidemic proportions, is a perfect indication that these few cases are essentially ignorable at the public policy level. And this of course depends on what this "greater risk" is. If you mean that there is a greater risk of being killed by a motorist than a cyclist then you are right. If, however you are talking about a greater risk of being hit by a bike than a vehicle whilst on a pavement - then you are totally wrong. But - you of course know that - but you cannot bring yourself to admit it. The chance of anyone from this group being hit as a pedestrian on a footpath by a motor vehicle is as good as negligible. I do not know what the chance of being hit by someone on a bike whilst on a footpath is - but it is orders of magnitude lower than that for being hit by a car; and in some areas is almost a certainty. snip and that is reflected in the prosecution guidelines which is something you have clearly made up - unless you can substantiate it? Or do we just add it to the list of Chapman lies. I am not holding my breath. snip Anyone who comes to this group and expects us to condemn pavement cycling, red light jumping or any of the other transgressions of the cyclist, with absolutely no strings attached, is basically trolling and should simply be ignored. Surely you mean - anyone who comes in to this group and hopes to have a sensible discussion on such things - and their views go against those of the clique - is surely trolling and must be ignored. Looking forward to your comments. |
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