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Old April 15th 08, 06:31 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
Gunner Asch[_2_]
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
wrote:


A fascinating psychological study. Want to see a person's true
character? Study them alone, in a car, in traffic. And prepare to be
shocked.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/7255/



Ayup..booger picking goes way way up.

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
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  #22  
Old April 15th 08, 06:32 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
Cindy Hamilton
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Default only the strong (read SUVs and cars) survive

On Apr 15, 9:21*am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954


wrote:
Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.


Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"


Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.


Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.

I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle.


You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about
bicycling. I'd
be happy to look it up in my own copy if you could provide book,
chapter
and verse.

Cindy Hamilton
  #23  
Old April 15th 08, 08:52 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
ComandanteBanana
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On Apr 15, 1:25*pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote:
In article ,

*ComandanteBanana wrote:
Furthermore, Dr. Walker wore a long wig on some trials to see if
perceived gender had any effect on overtaking distances. It certainly
did - drivers gave him an average 14cm more room.


although we must recognize the possibility that this only proves
that people will go out of their way to avoid a transvestite in an
ill-fitting wig.


Is that because people avoid transvestites?

If it was sexy ladies I bet they would to get closer to pinch their
ass.
  #24  
Old April 15th 08, 08:57 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
ComandanteBanana
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On Apr 15, 1:29*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana





wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954


wrote:
Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.


Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"


Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.


Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.


I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
power and wealth --if not to impose their might...


However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.


Someone may ponder about that too.


And this has what to do with assholes on bikes thinking they can
survive an encounter with a motor vehicle?


This is a METAPHOR. You know, like all this carnage on our roads is
related to another metaphor, the original sin... Yep, if Eve hadn't
eaten the forbidden fruit, we would all be friendly and be vegetarian.

Well, I still prefer my own metaphors...

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE
Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always taking the LION'S SHARE, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all, demanded
JUSTICE... The Lion, yawning and stretching, said, "You would have to
have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the Monkey, who was very clever,
devised a plan: He would go to the costume store, and look like a
lion...

When the HUNGRY LION saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a
match for him, and fearing COMPETITION, killed him on the spot --
before the indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And
that's how the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time...
(NOTE: Other monkeys survived him...)
  #25  
Old April 15th 08, 09:02 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
ComandanteBanana
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On Apr 15, 1:32*pm, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
On Apr 15, 9:21*am, ComandanteBanana
wrote:





On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:


On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954


wrote:
Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.


Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"


Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.


Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.


I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle.


You know, I can't quite recall which Bible verse talks about
bicycling. *I'd
be happy to look it up in my own copy if you could provide book,
chapter
and verse.

Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It's evident enough... HE RODE A DONKEY.

You get the point? He chose the most humble mode of transportation
around, saying like a bike today.

You must learn to read into all those metaphors, you know.
  #26  
Old April 15th 08, 09:08 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
ComandanteBanana
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On Apr 15, 1:29*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
Gunner

"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Am I suppose to read that diatribe every time? Why don't you say
something shorter like, "I'm all for the Law of the Jungle"? Or
"Forget about civilized behavior and embrace the caveman within"?

That's what you propose, right?

  #27  
Old April 15th 08, 09:29 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
ComandanteBanana
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Default riding a bike on America's roads is more dangerous than doingservice in Iraq

On Apr 15, 2:57 pm, wrote:

I've ridden your "jungle" since I was in my 20s, many decades ago.
Unlike you, I've never needed to whine about how terrible the world
is. Unlike you, I've had no trouble dealing with traffic. Unlike
you, I've taken the time to look for actual data on bicycling's level
of danger. And in doing so, I found that despite the prevalence of
"Danger! Danger!" worriers, cycling is an _extremely_ safe activity.

I've commuted by bike since 1977. I've cycled in hundreds of cities,
and in peak rush hour in many of them. I've ridden in at least eight
countries. I've done many self-supported tours, up to 4000 miles.
I've ridden for nearly 40 years. In all that time, my only on-road
injury was one skinned knee. Off road, add one incident where I
scraped my hands a bit.

You're unreasonably paranoid and obnoxiously noisy about it. If
you're afraid to ride busy roads, don't do it. Ride where you're
comfortable, and quit your wimpy whining.

- Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -

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That you may be a veteran of war doesn't prove that wars are safe...

I even bet you that riding a bike on America's roads is more dangerous
than doing service in Iraq.

We have to do the numbers, but I think that that's more true than
Obama's statement that soldiers in Iraq are safer than kids in
Chicago. At least I see more terrorists on our roads.
  #28  
Old April 15th 08, 09:53 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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On Apr 15, 4:29*pm, ComandanteBanana
wrote:
On Apr 15, 2:57 pm, wrote:





I've ridden your "jungle" since I was in my 20s, many decades ago.
Unlike you, I've never needed to whine about how terrible the world
is. *Unlike you, I've had no trouble dealing with traffic. *Unlike
you, I've taken the time to look for actual data on bicycling's level
of danger. *And in doing so, I found that despite the prevalence of
"Danger! Danger!" worriers, cycling is an _extremely_ safe activity.


I've commuted by bike since 1977. *I've cycled in hundreds of cities,
and in peak rush hour in many of them. *I've ridden in at least eight
countries. *I've done many self-supported tours, *up to 4000 miles.
I've ridden for nearly 40 years. *In all that time, my only on-road
injury was one skinned knee. *Off road, add one incident where I
scraped my hands a bit.


You're unreasonably paranoid and obnoxiously noisy about it. *If
you're afraid to ride busy roads, don't do it. *Ride where you're
comfortable, and quit your wimpy whining.


- Frank Krygowski- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


That you may be a veteran of war doesn't prove that wars are safe...

I even bet you that riding a bike on America's roads is more dangerous
than doing service in Iraq.

We have to do the numbers, but I think that that's more true than
Obama's statement that soldiers in Iraq are safer than kids in
Chicago. At least I see more terrorists on our roads. - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


OK, here I respond to my own challenge, since there's been no
challengers so far...

Some numbers on nationwide bicycle fatalities from 1975-2002:
"660 bicyclists were killed in crashes with motor vehicles in 2002."

So, since the deployment in Iraq accounts to 150,000 or so, we have to
prove that the same number of people riding bikes on heavy traffic
have a greater death toll. Of course, this doesn't apply to well
maintained bike paths where the beautiful people live nor to those
living in the actual Green Zone in Baghdad.

And also you have to take into account that bikers are not wearing
heavy armor...


  #29  
Old April 15th 08, 10:32 PM posted to misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking
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[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch reported Elvis on Tue, 15
Apr 2008 10:29:16 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
wrote:

On Apr 14, 9:54*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:06:42 -0700 (PDT), donquijote1954

wrote:
Something funny happens though. The more you move to the right, the
more they squeeze you. It's a power game, I believe, where only the
strong (read SUVs and cars) survive.

Evidently you have never heard the phrase "Right or Dead Right"

Might want to ponder on that one for a bit.


Yep, and I have changed my survival strategy accordingly.

I have realized that America, despite her claims to democracy and
Christianity, is now ruled by the Law of the Jungle. The world seems
to know it now too. It's evident in her foreign policies that she's
getting hungrier. And it's even more clear when you live inside and
you notice that the top predators want to have an SUV to show their
power and wealth --if not to impose their might...

However dinosaurs are not forever. Actually, the hungrier they get,
the quicker they exhaust the resources, and the quicker they
disappear. But they were not known for having big brains either.

Someone may ponder about that too.


And this has what to do with assholes on bikes thinking they can
survive an encounter with a motor vehicle?


Bikers feel that they too can pick and chose which laws apply to
them. Including the laws of physics.
Unfortunately, there are certain objective realities; just because
you're rather have a diagnosis of athelete's foot, doesn't make the
compound fracture go away.



tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
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Old April 15th 08, 10:40 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,aus.bicycle,dc.biking,misc.survivalism,misc.consumers.frugal-living
Fred Clydesdale
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In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

Its gonna be hard for me to ride one of my bikes..yes I do also ride
bicycles...to work every day with the 900 lbs of tools, welders and
parts that I drag around for the average 135 miles per day that I
drive.

On the other hand..its bad kharma to leave a bike rider a red smear on
the roadway because the spandex clad dip**** decided that he is above
all traffic laws and the laws of physics dont apply to the big assed
trucks he cuts in front of. Much like the rainbow stickered idjits in
tiny cars who do the same.


perhaps you have been a Bad Man through several lives already, and
the 900 lbs of tools (i assume that includes at least one 250
lb tool) are the burden you must bear for your past transgressions.

all you need is a begging bowl, sandals and two full outfits by
pearl izumi. 'kharma' will reward you a thousandfold in your next
life.
 




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