Jim Ochowicz

Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet on the descent down the Col de
Portet d'Aspet in the '95 Tour? After all, Casartelli died because Och
wasn't doing his job in terms of safety since they had helmets back then
that were proven to provide significant protection against head
injuries. Casartelli died of a head injury, according to the doctors.

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics because the battery in his radio died. I mean, who
could have expected a guy who was sponsored by Motorola to realize that
batteries in crucial electronic devices sometimes go bad and to bring
along some extras.

But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

So as you can see, "Och" as he's known, is well qualified to run a pro
cycling team.

Thanks,

Magilla

On Nov 2, 12:54*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz ...

Thanks,
Magilla

You're welcome.
But you are behind the curve, this has already been done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMnekeLTUrw&feature=fvw
DR

On Nov 2, 2:54*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla

TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

coterock wrote:
On Nov 2, 2:54 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla

TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.


Could you do me a favor? Could you find out what the settlement with
Gerard cost USAC. Remember, that was 100% Och's doing.

No, of course you can't. One of the items of negotiation was how much
it was going to cost to keep everyone's mouth shut. Never mind.

Here's one that you can look up. How has USAC's financial performance
been since the 1990s reorg, and what has Och's role in that been? Do
you remember far enough back to recall when USAC was fiscally stable?

It's a shame that he couldn't replace Motorola as a sponsor. He was
much less dangerous in the race caravan.

Bob Schwartz

coterock wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:54*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla

TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

Jim Ochowicz is a corrupt piece of garbage and most people I talk to in the sport say the same
thing: He's an embarrassment to the sport. Let's take an objective look at what "Och" - as he's
known to his sycophants - has done for the sport of cycling:

1.) He ran a pro cycling team and failed to require them to wear helmets, resulting in the death
of Fabio Casartelli, an Olympic gold medalist. It is without question that Och had the
authority to require riders on his team to wear helmets for their safety, and he failed to do
so. Although in fairness to Och, who wudda thunk that cyclists could fall off their bike in a
2,300 mile race with technical descents in the rain? Perhaps Och should get a copy of Saul
Raisin's book about what happens when a watermelon is dropped from 7 feet above the asphalt.

2.) Jim Ochowicz didn't have the talent as a director sportif/manager to win the Tour de France
with either 7-Eleven or Motorola. So now, he's trying to buy his way into the Tour Hall of Fame
with a used car from Australia with bald tires (Cadel "Don't Touch Me" Evans), who everybody
knows is yesterday's news when it comes to being a GC contender in Grand Tours. The way a
real talented director/manager would have done it is to build a winner through leadership and
skills by taking a nobody rider and turning him into a champion, the way Bruyneel did with Lance
Armstrong. Had Lance ridden for Och from 1999-2005, he never would have won any Tours. So now
Och is trying to 'buy' a used Apollo rocket and claim he was involved in the space program in
order to claim that elusive lunar landing. With Lance and Bruyneel, at least there was a
Rocky-like Cinderella story behind it. Nobody expected Lance to win the '99 Tour.

But this is the guy Och is trying to convince the world is going to win the Tour de France:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgWE3t0A

3.) Och failed to realize that batteries in a race radio might get depleted and to bring some
extras (who wudda thunk batteries go dead? Certainly not the manager of the Motorola team). As
a result of this, the entire USA men's road team failed to realize that 3 Telekoms went up the
road and swept the podium in an Olympics road race (2000 Sydney Games). This is a mistake that
one would only expect from an autistic child on Ritalin. But in 2000, Och was that child.

4.) Och fired USA Cycling CEO Gerard Bisceglia after Bisceglia asked Och to stop using his
position in USA Cycling to enrich himself by making 6-figure backroom deals that would likely
only have occurred due to his position on USA Cycling. I can't think of any reason why BMC
would pay Och $100,000 to "help" arrange a sponsorship. When Bisceglia told him to stop doing
that, Och - being the corrupt pussy he is - retaliated against Bisceglia and got his lover boy
Steve Johnson and the rest of the zombies to fire him. Bisceglia sued and it was settled out of
court. Och is perfectly content to make the membership pay the jacked up insurance premium or
costs of that settlement and litigation fees due to his own personal greed. After all, Och is a
'grassroots guy' who wants to do everything in his power to make sure racing license fees don't
soar over $80 because of greed, corruption and waste at USA Cycling....oops!

5.) Och had a key leadership role on the Olympic selection committee at USA Cycling when it
completely botched the Sue Haywood matter, resulting in a $380,000 judgment against USA
Cycling. Och once again sticks the membership with paying for that settlement and the legal
fees associated with that lawsuit. Grand total: over $450,000. Not being content to have
helped kill an Olympic gold medalist back in '95, Och helped ruin the Olympic dream of Sue
Haywood in 2004.

6.) Och, Steve Johnson, and the rest of the Wiesel groupies lost another $200,000+ judgment to
Les Earnest for rigging an election and fastracking some legislation back in like 2000. Once
again, Och is perfectly content to force the membership to pay for his corruption and
incompetence, just like Fabio Casartelli had to pay with his life and Sue Haywood had to pay
with her Olympic dream ...all because of Och's poor judgment.

7.) As if the death of an Olympic gold medalist Fabio Casartelli in '95 and ruined dream of
mountain biker Sue Haywood in 2004 wasn't enough, Och also supervised USA Cycling and allowed
for the Becky Quinn sexual discrimination lawsuit case to materialize in 2008. In that case,
Och didn't think there was anything wrong with allowing the husband (Andy Sparks) of an elite
track cyclist (Sarah Hammer) to be the coach of the Team USA track program, which was clearly an
egregious conflict of interest that was a breeding ground for potential lawsuits. There is no
other Olympic sports federation that allows the husband of a competitor to be a coach of Team
USA, which essentially reduced the Olympic selection criteria for the women's track program to
be that women had to give a blowjob to the coach in order to make the Olympic team. And those
women track riders who didn't give a blowjob to the coach - such as Becky Quinn - had to endure
a season of subtle harassment and sabotage to look forward to that cost them their Olympic
dream.

So there's Jim "Och" Ochowicz for you - a nice guy doing nice things. Always looking out for
the little guy, always doing things the fair and honest way.

I'm not sure what else Och did wrong, but once I finish eating my delicious bagel with cream
cheese, I can probably churn out another Och manifesto.


Thanks,


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
coterock wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:54 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet
Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla
TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

Jim Ochowicz is a corrupt piece of garbage and most people I talk to in the sport say the same
thing: He's an embarrassment to the sport. Let's take an objective look at what "Och" - as he's
known to his sycophants - has done for the sport of cycling:

1.) He ran a pro cycling team and failed to require them to wear helmets, resulting in the death
of Fabio Casartelli, an Olympic gold medalist. It is without question that Och had the
authority to require riders on his team to wear helmets for their safety, and he failed to do
so. Although in fairness to Och, who wudda thunk that cyclists could fall off their bike in a
2,300 mile race with technical descents in the rain? Perhaps Och should get a copy of Saul
Raisin's book about what happens when a watermelon is dropped from 7 feet above the asphalt.

2.) Jim Ochowicz didn't have the talent as a director sportif/manager to win the Tour de France
with either 7-Eleven or Motorola. So now, he's trying to buy his way into the Tour Hall of Fame
with a used car from Australia with bald tires (Cadel "Don't Touch Me" Evans), who everybody
knows is yesterday's news when it comes to being a GC contender in Grand Tours. The way a
real talented director/manager would have done it is to build a winner through leadership and
skills by taking a nobody rider and turning him into a champion, the way Bruyneel did with Lance
Armstrong. Had Lance ridden for Och from 1999-2005, he never would have won any Tours. So now
Och is trying to 'buy' a used Apollo rocket and claim he was involved in the space program in
order to claim that elusive lunar landing. With Lance and Bruyneel, at least there was a
Rocky-like Cinderella story behind it. Nobody expected Lance to win the '99 Tour.

But this is the guy Och is trying to convince the world is going to win the Tour de France:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgWE3t0A

3.) Och failed to realize that batteries in a race radio might get depleted and to bring some
extras (who wudda thunk batteries go dead? Certainly not the manager of the Motorola team). As
a result of this, the entire USA men's road team failed to realize that 3 Telekoms went up the
road and swept the podium in an Olympics road race (2000 Sydney Games). This is a mistake that
one would only expect from an autistic child on Ritalin. But in 2000, Och was that child.

4.) Och fired USA Cycling CEO Gerard Bisceglia after Bisceglia asked Och to stop using his
position in USA Cycling to enrich himself by making 6-figure backroom deals that would likely
only have occurred due to his position on USA Cycling. I can't think of any reason why BMC
would pay Och $100,000 to "help" arrange a sponsorship. When Bisceglia told him to stop doing
that, Och - being the corrupt pussy he is - retaliated against Bisceglia and got his lover boy
Steve Johnson and the rest of the zombies to fire him. Bisceglia sued and it was settled out of
court. Och is perfectly content to make the membership pay the jacked up insurance premium or
costs of that settlement and litigation fees due to his own personal greed. After all, Och is a
'grassroots guy' who wants to do everything in his power to make sure racing license fees don't
soar over $80 because of greed, corruption and waste at USA Cycling....oops!

5.) Och had a key leadership role on the Olympic selection committee at USA Cycling when it
completely botched the Sue Haywood matter, resulting in a $380,000 judgment against USA
Cycling. Och once again sticks the membership with paying for that settlement and the legal
fees associated with that lawsuit. Grand total: over $450,000. Not being content to have
helped kill an Olympic gold medalist back in '95, Och helped ruin the Olympic dream of Sue
Haywood in 2004.

6.) Och, Steve Johnson, and the rest of the Wiesel groupies lost another $200,000+ judgment to
Les Earnest for rigging an election and fastracking some legislation back in like 2000. Once
again, Och is perfectly content to force the membership to pay for his corruption and
incompetence, just like Fabio Casartelli had to pay with his life and Sue Haywood had to pay
with her Olympic dream ...all because of Och's poor judgment.

7.) As if the death of an Olympic gold medalist Fabio Casartelli in '95 and ruined dream of
mountain biker Sue Haywood in 2004 wasn't enough, Och also supervised USA Cycling and allowed
for the Becky Quinn sexual discrimination lawsuit case to materialize in 2008. In that case,
Och didn't think there was anything wrong with allowing the husband (Andy Sparks) of an elite
track cyclist (Sarah Hammer) to be the coach of the Team USA track program,

I'll bet you're wrong about that. Wanna challenge me?


which was clearly an
egregious conflict of interest that was a breeding ground for potential lawsuits. There is no
other Olympic sports federation that allows the husband of a competitor to be a coach of Team
USA, which essentially reduced the Olympic selection criteria for the women's track program to
be that women had to give a blowjob to the coach in order to make the Olympic team. And those
women track riders who didn't give a blowjob to the coach - such as Becky Quinn - had to endure
a season of subtle harassment and sabotage to look forward to that cost them their Olympic
dream.

So there's Jim "Och" Ochowicz for you - a nice guy doing nice things. Always looking out for
the little guy, always doing things the fair and honest way.

I'm not sure what else Och did wrong, but once I finish eating my delicious bagel with cream
cheese, I can probably churn out another Och manifesto.


Thanks,


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
3.) Och failed to realize that batteries in a race radio might get depleted and to bring some
extras (who wudda thunk batteries go dead? Certainly not the manager of the Motorola team). As
a result of this, the entire USA men's road team failed to realize that 3 Telekoms went up the
road and swept the podium in an Olympics road race (2000 Sydney Games). This is a mistake that
one would only expect from an autistic child on Ritalin. But in 2000, Och was that child.

Perhaps he used RadioShack batteries.

z wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
coterock wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:54 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet
Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla
TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

Jim Ochowicz is a corrupt piece of garbage and most people I talk to in the sport say the same
thing: He's an embarrassment to the sport. Let's take an objective look at what "Och" - as he's
known to his sycophants - has done for the sport of cycling:

1.) He ran a pro cycling team and failed to require them to wear helmets, resulting in the death
of Fabio Casartelli, an Olympic gold medalist. It is without question that Och had the
authority to require riders on his team to wear helmets for their safety, and he failed to do
so. Although in fairness to Och, who wudda thunk that cyclists could fall off their bike in a
2,300 mile race with technical descents in the rain? Perhaps Och should get a copy of Saul
Raisin's book about what happens when a watermelon is dropped from 7 feet above the asphalt.

2.) Jim Ochowicz didn't have the talent as a director sportif/manager to win the Tour de France
with either 7-Eleven or Motorola. So now, he's trying to buy his way into the Tour Hall of Fame
with a used car from Australia with bald tires (Cadel "Don't Touch Me" Evans), who everybody
knows is yesterday's news when it comes to being a GC contender in Grand Tours. The way a
real talented director/manager would have done it is to build a winner through leadership and
skills by taking a nobody rider and turning him into a champion, the way Bruyneel did with Lance
Armstrong. Had Lance ridden for Och from 1999-2005, he never would have won any Tours. So now
Och is trying to 'buy' a used Apollo rocket and claim he was involved in the space program in
order to claim that elusive lunar landing. With Lance and Bruyneel, at least there was a
Rocky-like Cinderella story behind it. Nobody expected Lance to win the '99 Tour.

But this is the guy Och is trying to convince the world is going to win the Tour de France:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgWE3t0A

3.) Och failed to realize that batteries in a race radio might get depleted and to bring some
extras (who wudda thunk batteries go dead? Certainly not the manager of the Motorola team). As
a result of this, the entire USA men's road team failed to realize that 3 Telekoms went up the
road and swept the podium in an Olympics road race (2000 Sydney Games). This is a mistake that
one would only expect from an autistic child on Ritalin. But in 2000, Och was that child.

4.) Och fired USA Cycling CEO Gerard Bisceglia after Bisceglia asked Och to stop using his
position in USA Cycling to enrich himself by making 6-figure backroom deals that would likely
only have occurred due to his position on USA Cycling. I can't think of any reason why BMC
would pay Och $100,000 to "help" arrange a sponsorship. When Bisceglia told him to stop doing
that, Och - being the corrupt pussy he is - retaliated against Bisceglia and got his lover boy
Steve Johnson and the rest of the zombies to fire him. Bisceglia sued and it was settled out of
court. Och is perfectly content to make the membership pay the jacked up insurance premium or
costs of that settlement and litigation fees due to his own personal greed. After all, Och is a
'grassroots guy' who wants to do everything in his power to make sure racing license fees don't
soar over $80 because of greed, corruption and waste at USA Cycling....oops!

5.) Och had a key leadership role on the Olympic selection committee at USA Cycling when it
completely botched the Sue Haywood matter, resulting in a $380,000 judgment against USA
Cycling. Och once again sticks the membership with paying for that settlement and the legal
fees associated with that lawsuit. Grand total: over $450,000. Not being content to have
helped kill an Olympic gold medalist back in '95, Och helped ruin the Olympic dream of Sue
Haywood in 2004.

6.) Och, Steve Johnson, and the rest of the Wiesel groupies lost another $200,000+ judgment to
Les Earnest for rigging an election and fastracking some legislation back in like 2000. Once
again, Och is perfectly content to force the membership to pay for his corruption and
incompetence, just like Fabio Casartelli had to pay with his life and Sue Haywood had to pay
with her Olympic dream ...all because of Och's poor judgment.

7.) As if the death of an Olympic gold medalist Fabio Casartelli in '95 and ruined dream of
mountain biker Sue Haywood in 2004 wasn't enough, Och also supervised USA Cycling and allowed
for the Becky Quinn sexual discrimination lawsuit case to materialize in 2008. In that case,
Och didn't think there was anything wrong with allowing the husband (Andy Sparks) of an elite
track cyclist (Sarah Hammer) to be the coach of the Team USA track program,

I'll bet you're wrong about that. Wanna challenge me?


I accept your challenge you to a duel, Zorro.

Magilla

In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

coterock wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:54*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired
Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla

TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

Jim Ochowicz is a corrupt piece of garbage and most people I talk to in the
sport say the same
thing: He's an embarrassment to the sport. Let's take an objective look at
what "Och" - as he's
known to his sycophants - has done for the sport of cycling:

1.) He ran a pro cycling team and failed to require them to wear helmets,
resulting in the death
of Fabio Casartelli, an Olympic gold medalist. It is without question that
Och had the
authority to require riders on his team to wear helmets for their safety, and
he failed to do
so. Although in fairness to Och, who wudda thunk that cyclists could fall
off their bike in a
2,300 mile race with technical descents in the rain? Perhaps Och should get
a copy of Saul
Raisin's book about what happens when a watermelon is dropped from 7 feet
above the asphalt.

Well, it's an attractive troll, I'll give you that, and it has the ring
of some truth, but being mad at Ochowicz because of Casartelli's fatal
accident is harming your case by being quite absurd.

Both before and since Fabio, fatal pro cycling accidents have been rare.
If anything, they were rarer in the old days, a few doozys in motorpaced
racing notwithstanding. The case that Fabio would have lived if he'd
been wearing a helmet is speculative, as it must be.

Moreover, the responsibility for wearing a helmet or not ultimately had
to lie with Fabio, who was after all a grown-up, and a human (not an
ape, or some other sort of carnival monster).

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

In article
],
Ryan Cousineau wrote:

In article ,
MagillaGorilla wrote:

coterock wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:54Â*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Will Jim Ochowicz even be allowed to ride in the caravan of the Tour de
France given that he helped kill one of his own cyclists by making sure
Fabio Casartelli didn't wear a helmet

Och is also the same guy who as director sportif for Team USA allowed 3
Telekoms (blockhead, Ullbitch, and Klueless) to ride up the road during
the Sydney Olympics But then again, Ochowicz is the same guy who fired
Bisceglia after he
was outed by Gerard for stealing $100,000.

Magilla

TROLL, simple troll. Och has done more for cycling in the U.S. than
you have in your dreams. Now beat it, blow.

Jim Ochowicz is a corrupt piece of garbage and most people I talk to in the
sport say the same
thing: He's an embarrassment to the sport. Let's take an objective look at
what "Och" - as he's
known to his sycophants - has done for the sport of cycling:

1.) He ran a pro cycling team and failed to require them to wear helmets,
resulting in the death
of Fabio Casartelli, an Olympic gold medalist. It is without question that
Och had the
authority to require riders on his team to wear helmets for their safety, and
he failed to do
so. Although in fairness to Och, who wudda thunk that cyclists could fall
off their bike in a
2,300 mile race with technical descents in the rain? Perhaps Och should get
a copy of Saul
Raisin's book about what happens when a watermelon is dropped from 7 feet
above the asphalt.

Well, it's an attractive troll, I'll give you that, and it has the ring
of some truth, but being mad at Ochowicz because of Casartelli's fatal
accident is harming your case by being quite absurd.

Both before and since Fabio, fatal pro cycling accidents have been rare.
If anything, they were rarer in the old days, a few doozys in motorpaced
racing notwithstanding. The case that Fabio would have lived if he'd
been wearing a helmet is speculative, as it must be.

Moreover, the responsibility for wearing a helmet or not ultimately had
to lie with Fabio, who was after all a grown-up, and a human (not an
ape, or some other sort of carnival monster).

Any body know where to find the report on the postmortem
examination of Casartelli?


http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2365454

March 12, 2006
WILMINGTON, N.Y. -- Swedish snowboarder Jonatan
Johansson died Sunday after falling during a
snowboardcross run down Whiteface Mountain in the
Adirondacks, according to officials.

The 26-year-old Torino Olympics competitor made a bad
landing on one of his jumps at about 9:20 a.m. during
training for an International Ski Federation World Cup
competition, according to the U.S. Ski and Snowboarding
Association.

A state police report said Johansson tried to correct
himself but landed hard. An autopsy found the cause of
death to be multiple internal injuries.

Officials said Johansson landed within the course
boundaries and was wearing a helmet. Olympic Regional
Development Authority spokesman Sandy Caligiore said he
did not hit a tree, a pole or any other obstacle. The
course where Johansson crashed, the Boreen Trail, has
special snowboardcross features constructed for
competition.

--
Michael Press