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Old September 27th 04, 02:49 AM
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jobst was referring to the whole 'right foot forward' position as goofy-
footed a few weeks ago (in reference to octalink failure). the left crank
on my s-works (octalink) is failing in exactly this mode, and I do stand
with my right foot forward.

I am wondering if the name simply reflects anti-left-handed prejudice; for
many ball sports involving right hands, the left foot is forward.

anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left side of
the road? when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

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Old September 27th 04, 01:50 PM
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anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left side of
the road? when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb BRBR

Think it comes from surfing, where right foot forward is 'goofy footed'.
Octalink fails on MTBs much more, when jumping and landing, with the crank
facing aft, more likely to be killed. Also heard of some problems with track
cranks and octalink, where the cranks aren't always pushed forward.



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Old September 28th 04, 12:29 AM
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someone writes:

Jobst was referring to the whole 'right foot forward' position as
goofy- footed a few weeks ago (in reference to octalink failure).
The left crank on my s-works (octalink) is failing in exactly this
mode, and I do stand with my right foot forward.


I am wondering if the name simply reflects anti-left-handed
prejudice; for many ball sports involving right hands, the left foot
is forward.


Anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left
side of the road? When restarting from stop lights, I always have
my right foot forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.


I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I vote for no correlation although there is a strong correlation
between failing octalink and goofyfootedness.

Jobst Brandt

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Old September 28th 04, 03:46 AM
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Jobst wrote:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle


Right, the clean side.

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.


I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to usse
toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot clipped in
while stationary, when you could give the task as much attention as it
might require. Then you start up and clip in your more skilful foot
while underway.

My wife has always been backwards, starting out pushing on her right
foot. This took a lot of adjustment to enable us to ride a tandem together.

I don't know if she's a goofy-footed coaster or not, since I can't
remember the last time she was on a freewheeling bike.

Speaking of Goofy...ever notice that Goofy is a biped, capable of
speach, while Pluto is clearly a dog...but their faces are identical
except for pigmentation? What's with that? Seems kinda goofy...

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Old September 28th 04, 05:16 AM
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Sheldon Brown wrote in
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Jobst wrote:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side
of the bicycle

Right, the clean side.


I wasn't referring to dismounting, which only happens once per ride
(hopefully!).

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that
it is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.


I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to
usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot
clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as much
attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in your
more skilful foot while underway.


Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only ever unclip
my left because that is the side which is usually higher; one of my
unclipping accidents involved stopping at the lights while leaving my right
foot clipped in, leaning over to see something, and being sufficiently top-
heavy to fall over in front of traffic (which was thankfully stopped).

How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from flats to SPD.


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Old September 28th 04, 05:19 AM
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:46:59 -0400, Sheldon Brown
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Jobst wrote:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle


Right, the clean side.

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.


I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to usse
toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot clipped in
while stationary, when you could give the task as much attention as it
might require. Then you start up and clip in your more skilful foot
while underway.

My wife has always been backwards, starting out pushing on her right
foot. This took a lot of adjustment to enable us to ride a tandem together.

I don't know if she's a goofy-footed coaster or not, since I can't
remember the last time she was on a freewheeling bike.

Speaking of Goofy...ever notice that Goofy is a biped, capable of
speach, while Pluto is clearly a dog...but their faces are identical
except for pigmentation? What's with that? Seems kinda goofy...

Sheldon "Deep Thoughts" Brown
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| as being unwilling to learn. |
| -- Benjamin Franklin |
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Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com


Dear Sheldon,

The Disney dogs shared more than just faces.

Both Goofy's speech and Pluto's less articulate noises came
from the same fellow, Vance "Pinto" Colvig:

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Pinto%20...page=biography

Sincerely,

Bozo the Clown
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Old September 28th 04, 03:13 PM
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I wrote:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to
usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot
clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as much
attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in your
more skilful foot while underway.


"qtq" wrote:

when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only ever unclip
my left because that is the side which is usually higher;


Due to crowned roads, the left side is usually higher in the U.S.

I am rarely close enough to the curb/kerb to put a foot on it. In U.S.
traffic it is usually dangerous to be that far right unless you are
preparing to make a right turn.

How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from flats to SPD.


Learning to use toe clips is MUCH harder than learning to use SPDs.
Eventually it becomes pretty automatic, but it takes a lot longer for
this to happen.

Sheldon "Used Toe Clips For 35 Years" Brown
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Old September 28th 04, 03:37 PM
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Sheldon Brown Wrote:


I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed)


It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is n
guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 % o
the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%

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Old September 29th 04, 12:35 AM
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote in message
...
I wrote:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is

'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I

used to
usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful

foot
clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as

much
attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in

your
more skilful foot while underway.


"qtq" wrote:

when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right

foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only

ever unclip
my left because that is the side which is usually higher;


Due to crowned roads, the left side is usually higher in the

U.S.

I am rarely close enough to the curb/kerb to put a foot on it.

In U.S.
traffic it is usually dangerous to be that far right unless you

are
preparing to make a right turn.

How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from

flats to SPD.

Learning to use toe clips is MUCH harder than learning to use

SPDs.
Eventually it becomes pretty automatic, but it takes a lot

longer for
this to happen.


Although those teeny one-sided SPD pedals are way harder than toe
clips. I do miss that tutti pack wobble at the beginning of
races when everyone reached down to tighten their toe straps. --
Jay Beattie.


 




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