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Old June 2nd 04, 08:49 AM
Red Cloud
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Default Real Bike Cities.

1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities

These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most
Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for
biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike.
As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying
bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population
relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high.

I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not
going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse
a sole rider in big street in US.
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Old June 2nd 04, 08:57 AM
Mike Jacoubowsky
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Seattle, on the other hand, is widely regarded as an excellent example of
bicycle commuting. Paris is far from it. I don't have first-hand knowledge
of the other places you listed, but your track record so far isn't terribly
good.

You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a
sport of such things.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"Red Cloud" wrote in message
om...
1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities

These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and

most
Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for
biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike.
As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are

relying
bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of

population
relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high.

I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's

not
going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations

verse
a sole rider in big street in US.



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Old June 2nd 04, 09:35 AM
Ron Hardin
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NYC in the 60s was fine. That was before bike messengers.

The courtesy you get depends on how many bikes the drivers have seen
before you that day. If it's none, you get all sorts of consideration.

This is why you ought to be stamping out bike commuting, not encouraging
it. It leaves you as the only rider. People give you a friendly wave,
who pass you every day.
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Ron Hardin


On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
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Old June 2nd 04, 11:01 AM
Jeremy Parker
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Default Real Bike Cities.

Greetings from London,

It's along time since I've been to Hamburg. I wasn't impressed with
their idea of compelling cyclists to ride on narrow urban sidewalks,
even though they did paint a white line down the middle of the
sidewalk, and call that a "bike lane"

London is pretty good, although mine is a minority opinion. We are
still trying to get a Tour de France stage here. The tour of Britain
is back, meanwhile. The final stage will be a criterium in
Westminster, Sept 5th. Send off for our free bike maps - London is
big enough that it takes 19 of them to cover all london. Central
London is map 10. For more info' look at the Transport for London
web site www.tfl.org.uk

There are lots of ways to get round London, so cycling has
competition

We got five ring roads from the planner kings
(or at least a partial try)
and Jubilee and Victoria in their halls of stone
no highwalks for pedestrians, still doomed to die
no Orbrail yet for railways, though once they ruled the throne.
But there's one mode that rules them all
although they won't admit it
for fast fun trips around our town
get a bike - you won't regret it.

Jeremy Parker
London UK



"Red Cloud" wrote in message
om...
1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities

These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders,

and most
Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place

for
biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a

bike.
As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are

relying
bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of

population
relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high.

I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet

that it's not
going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike

populations verse
a sole rider in big street in US.



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Old June 2nd 04, 11:14 AM
Per Elmsäter
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Default Real Bike Cities.

Red Cloud wrote:
1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities

These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders,



I doubt it.
Here in Europe we usually consider Holland as the best example of how to
plan and build for bicycle commuters.

--
Perre

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Old June 2nd 04, 01:41 PM
cheg
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"Red Cloud" wrote in message
om...
1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities

These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most
Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for
biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike.
As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying
bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population
relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high.

I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not
going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse
a sole rider in big street in US.



I'd take Seattle over Rome any day for bike commuting. Seattle does not have the
plague of moped riders talking on cel phones filling every gap in the car
traffic.


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Old June 2nd 04, 01:57 PM
David L. Johnson
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Default Real Bike Cities.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote:

1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities


Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that,
since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US has to
offer? Conversely, if you try riding in New York, or (so I am told)
Seattle, or even Philadelphia, you might find that they can be exceptional
places to ride.

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Old June 2nd 04, 03:42 PM
Claire Petersky
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Default Real Bike Cities.

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
. com...
Seattle, on the other hand, is widely regarded as an excellent example of
bicycle commuting. Paris is far from it. I don't have first-hand

knowledge
of the other places you listed, but your track record so far isn't

terribly
good.

You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a
sport of such things.


Yeah, I think the "Seattle" thing was thrown in there for trolling purposes.

Now, I think I'm going to haul myself up from the computer and go ride in
one of those "worst places", where, according to the mayor, bicycle
commuting has been increasing at 7-8% a year.


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Old June 2nd 04, 04:16 PM
S o r n i
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Default Real Bike Cities.

David L. Johnson wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote:

1. Hamburg

2. Rome

3. London

4. paris

5. Other European big and small cities


Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that,
since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US
has to offer?


I hate it when I click on an unread post and then actually consider its
content, BEFORE noting the author.

Bill "Red Cloud Troll" S.


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Old June 2nd 04, 04:57 PM
maxo
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Default Real Bike Cities.

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:57:46 +0000, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

You might re-post your troll in rec.bicycles.racing where people make a
sport of such things.


yep--trolling it is,but perhaps grounds for interesting dialog regardless.

The numero uno reason this is a troll, is the fact that Amsterdam isn't
mentioned as one of the European cities. :/

However there are too many to mention, my hometown of Gothenburg, Sweden
is especially nice--they have seperate bike lane and lights in the city!
Makes you feel like just another vehicle.

Seattle--I've been there many times since I used to live in the region, is
very bike friendly as far as attitudes go--outdoorsy lifestyles are a very
integrated part of the city's identity. I must admit that I sold my bike
when I was in the region (mainly for sustenance, I was in college )
because I hadn't come to terms with the challenge of almost daily rain and
some pretty brutal hills. Eventually I bought a vintage three speed with
fenders and found that to be the perfect NW bike--you could push it up a
hill and look perfectly natural--it's a three speed--and the fenders were
a godsend.

My favourite bike city in the states is Chicago! Lots of everyday normal
folks ride--not just the crunchy granola types. There are plenty of bike
lanes, and motorists--as aggressive as they usually are in the big city,
seem to tolerate cyclists. The city also has installed bike racks, real
solid brilliant ones, almost everywhere! I find that more important than
the bike lines almost. Chicago's also flat--so you can ride whatever piece
of junk you have laying around and not worry too much about theft.

my 2c



 




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