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Jeff Liebermann writes:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 06:32:57 +0700, John B. wrote: Somewhere on the net a guy wrote that "back in the day" a driver had a wheel, a gear shift and three pedals and one switch on the floor and had to be at least minimally alert to handle all this. Now with cruise control the drive has only the wheel and this can spend more time on other things like day-dreaming, sleeping or messing about with a hand phone. I wonder whether he may not have been correct? Does that decode into; I wonder whether he may have been incorrect? Something else to wonder about is why public safety, transportation services, ham radio, CB, and other 2way radio users have been driving around talking on their radios for about a century without much of a problem. I didn't see any mention of distracted driving until the advent of cell phones (and LCD touch screens). So, what's the difference between cell phones and 2way radio? Cell phones are full duplex while mobile radios are half duplex. Full duplex means the one talk and hear at the same time. Half duplex means the radio can transmit or receive but not both at the same time. The human brain can multitask two tasks at the same time with minimal confusion (not zero confusion). It can deal with operating the vehicle while listening to the radio. Or, it can deal with operating the vehicle while talking on the radio. However, it cannot deal with operating the vehicle while talking and listening at the same time. Three tasks are too much to handle. To fix the problem, switch the cell phone from full duplex to half duplex and require the driver to depress a PTT (push to talk) switch while talking. This has the added bonus of giving the driver a rest while he listens to whatever the other party is saying, much like the common AM/FM/CD/USB player. In effect, make the car kit cell phone operate like a 2way radio and it might reduce distracted driving accidents. It won't reduce them to zero, but it will be a big help. Most of the drivers I see weaving on the roads today are not *talking* on their phones at all. They're texting, or maybe surfing the web. |
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On 6/5/2019 9:19 PM, AK wrote:
On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 8:17:05 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote: On 6/5/2019 1:47 AM, Andy wrote: I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking. I have given it careful thought. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes. They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone. Andy Good luck with that. FCC has an unkindly view of pirate transmitters. Well FCC is doing a poor job of regulating telemarketers. I should be safe. How many Congressmen have you rented lately? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 06/06/2019 8:54 a.m., Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. It was the syntax for Siri to send the text. I had to say "send a message to ... as Siri didn't understand "text ..." |
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote:
But you can’t text without looking at it. Notice that I didn't mention texting and that my suggestion would only solve part of the mobile phone distraction problem. Smartphones already have a built in GPS and accelerometer which can detect if the phone is moving or stopped. It would be easy to disable texting if the phone is moving. However, that would also prevent texting while moving public transport (bus, train, airplane), as well as prevent texting by passengers. So, there has to be a way to determine if the phone is in the drivers seat. I could conjure various schemes to make this work in new automobiles, but retrofitting older passenger and commercial vehicles would be cost prohibitive. I'm also undecided how to handle incoming texts, which will be a distraction as the driver tries to read the message on the screen. Displaying incoming texts could be delayed until the phone has stopped moving, which might work for some applications. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Since the phone can detect if it's moving, the service provider can detect if the message was sent while moving. Sending texts while stationary will be billed at the usual low rate. Sending texts while moving gets billed and possibly taxes at an exorbitant rate. I'm sure the service providers will instantly approve of any idea that offers additional revenue. Incoming texts would be delayed until the phone has stopped moving. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 06/06/2019 10:11 a.m., Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. Notice that I didn't mention texting and that my suggestion would only solve part of the mobile phone distraction problem. Smartphones already have a built in GPS and accelerometer which can detect if the phone is moving or stopped. It would be easy to disable texting if the phone is moving. However, that would also prevent texting while moving public transport (bus, train, airplane), as well as prevent texting by passengers. So, there has to be a way to determine if the phone is in the drivers seat. I could conjure various schemes to make this work in new automobiles, but retrofitting older passenger and commercial vehicles would be cost prohibitive. I'm also undecided how to handle incoming texts, which will be a distraction as the driver tries to read the message on the screen. Displaying incoming texts could be delayed until the phone has stopped moving, which might work for some applications. Actually, at least with iPhones, you can set it to do not disturb mode when you're driving. It can detect if you're connected to your car's blue tooth and sends an auto reply to texts when that's the case. No problem on public transit etc. This doesn't stop idiots from texting anyway. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Since the phone can detect if it's moving, the service provider can detect if the message was sent while moving. Sending texts while stationary will be billed at the usual low rate. Sending texts while moving gets billed and possibly taxes at an exorbitant rate. I'm sure the service providers will instantly approve of any idea that offers additional revenue. Incoming texts would be delayed until the phone has stopped moving. License suspension and steep fines doesn't seem to be a deterrent so I'm not sure about text fees helping things. |
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Am 06.06.2019 um 16:11 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Does anybody without a text flat-rate still use texting these days? In Germany, the costs of texts have driven the young generation to whatsapp (my son sends hundreds of whatsapps per day and has sent less than 10 texts in his life, to mum who didn't use mobile internet until recently). |
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 10:11:21 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:03:52 -0000 (UTC), Duane wrote: But you can’t text without looking at it. Notice that I didn't mention texting and that my suggestion would only solve part of the mobile phone distraction problem. Smartphones already have a built in GPS and accelerometer which can detect if the phone is moving or stopped. It would be easy to disable texting if the phone is moving. However, that would also prevent texting while moving public transport (bus, train, airplane), as well as prevent texting by passengers. So, there has to be a way to determine if the phone is in the drivers seat. I could conjure various schemes to make this work in new automobiles, but retrofitting older passenger and commercial vehicles would be cost prohibitive. I'm also undecided how to handle incoming texts, which will be a distraction as the driver tries to read the message on the screen. Displaying incoming texts could be delayed until the phone has stopped moving, which might work for some applications. The problem can also be handled with a little social engineering. Simply raise the price of texting while moving. Since the phone can detect if it's moving, the service provider can detect if the message was sent while moving. Sending texts while stationary will be billed at the usual low rate. Sending texts while moving gets billed and possibly taxes at an exorbitant rate. I'm sure the service providers will instantly approve of any idea that offers additional revenue. Incoming texts would be delayed until the phone has stopped moving. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 What is the driver is using a voice to text program whilst driving? Cheers |
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On 6/6/2019 8:54 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 06.06.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Duane: You can listen or talk on a radio without looking at it.Â* Same with a phone.Â*Â* Especially if you have some hands free device as most cars do now. But you can’t text without looking at it. Well actually you can send text by voice using Siri on iPhone and there's probably some app that reads it. Siri can do that as well https://www.dummies.com/consumer-ele...r-texts-aloud/ (and with the appropriate in-car integration, without needing to touch the home button). I have sat in a car as a passenger when the driver was texted by his wife and sent an answer via Siri.Â* Needed a few repetitions to get the right text but still simpler than ringing her to pass the estimated arrival time. And it's now so important to tell one's arrival time? I can accept it may be important in some few instances- perhaps "I'll be there before the baby is born!" But from certain friends, I now get texts saying "We're almost there, see you in five minutes." That's over-communication. We shouldn't need minute by minute reports. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 6/6/2019 1:43 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT), AK wrote: On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 23:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Andy wrote: I have thought about carrying a short range cell phone jammer while biking. I guess you know that cell phone jammers are illegal. https://www.fcc.gov/general/jammer-enforcement I have given it careful thought. Think some more. But when traveling as a passenger I increasingly see drivers drifting over into other lanes. They are irresponsible idiots who are a danger to everyone. It won't work the way you expect. Jamming a cell phone will cause the phone to disconnect unexpectedly. The driver will wonder what happened to their call in progress and begin finger poking at the screen trying to re-establish the call. That's not a great idea while moving. Prior to your jammer being turned on, the driver was minimally distracted. After jamming, the driver became actively engaged in operating the phone and has become seriously distracted. You may think that full time jamming only prevents initiating or receiving phone calls. That might be true if you were moving at the same speed as the traffic. However, there will be many cars passing you on your bicycle, in both directions, some of which might be engaged in a legal hands free phone conversation. Your jammer will disconnect their call in progress, cause them to finger poke at the screen, and probably cause an accident while they are distracted. Also, there are now so a substantial number of cellular bands in use (and growing with every FCC auction). Unless you plan to carry a rather large box on your bicycle, it is unlikely that you can efficiently jam all of them. At best, a simple jammer will take out all the customers of one particular vendor, leaving the other vendors bands unaffected. http://www.gasiajammer.com/sale-8508330-new-all-in-one-16-channels-high-power-desktop-signal-jammer-70-meters-sheilding-range.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMOpxrs53YQ -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Any phone use whether hands free or not is distracted driver. i.e. dangerous driver If not every phone is knocked out, no problemo. They may figure out that their phone only misbehaves when driving. :-) Fred My guess is that the immediate result of someone's phone stopping would be an immediate flurry of shaking the phone and feverously pushing buttons to get the damned thing to work. Rather than cause the driver to pay more attention to driving I suspect that it would have exactly the opposite effect and he/she/it's attention would be wholly on the phone. The only way I see this happening would be if the phone did not go dead. Instead, the phone would disable all apps but GPS and it would begin yelling at the motorist "Stop using the phone. WATCH THE ROAD!" over and over. And that's going to be very difficult to achieve. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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