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Calm n Collected wrote:
One neighborhood boy thought it was cute to ride his bike in the other lane towards an oncoming car like you see in movies with two cars racing towards each other. That's the big reason that we have bicycle helmets now. What reason? With or without a helmet you need a closed casket funeral when a kid gets splattered on the front of a car in a head-on. Mitch. |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:45:40 -0400, Ron McKinnon
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:44:44 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote: I suggest that, in the future, you do your best to avoid second encounters with stupid people driving cars (assuming the first encounter was forced upon you). It can't be good policy for a cyclist. Probably a good piece of advice. At least in that respect, being hot-headed, the road rager and I have something in common. However I've never instigated anything with a motorist in my life, but I do tend to respond in kind more than is probably wise. Thus you need to have a cue or mantra to tell yourself when this happens again. Think of something when you're feeling cool and rational, and then when you feel tempted during a ride to do this, you can recall the advice. Even those of us who are non-confrontational get juiced up with adrenaline and pumped from riding and lose that better judgement. Then when you get home, think positive thoughts about your ability to resist the urge to confront. -B |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:45:40 -0400, Ron McKinnon
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:44:44 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote: I suggest that, in the future, you do your best to avoid second encounters with stupid people driving cars (assuming the first encounter was forced upon you). It can't be good policy for a cyclist. Probably a good piece of advice. At least in that respect, being hot-headed, the road rager and I have something in common. However I've never instigated anything with a motorist in my life, but I do tend to respond in kind more than is probably wise. Thus you need to have a cue or mantra to tell yourself when this happens again. Think of something when you're feeling cool and rational, and then when you feel tempted during a ride to do this, you can recall the advice. Even those of us who are non-confrontational get juiced up with adrenaline and pumped from riding and lose that better judgement. Then when you get home, think positive thoughts about your ability to resist the urge to confront. -B |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:23:50 +0000, Jem Berkes wrote:
The car was some souped-up muscle car ... I caught up two lights later ... You should have asked him, if his car is so powerful how come you were able to catch up to him? If that's too subtle for him just tell him he has a small penis. Nah. If you were canoeing, and an empty boat drifted across your path, it wouldn't make any sense to get angry at it. It makes no more sense to get angry at road raging morons than it does to yell at an empty boat. Just repeat to yourself, "Empty boat." I admit I'm not 100% perfect at this, but when I am successful, it's very gratifying to NOT have gotten angry, and to NOT have let the asshole spoil my day. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "allspammersmustdie" before responding.) I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. |
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:23:50 +0000, Jem Berkes wrote:
The car was some souped-up muscle car ... I caught up two lights later ... You should have asked him, if his car is so powerful how come you were able to catch up to him? If that's too subtle for him just tell him he has a small penis. Nah. If you were canoeing, and an empty boat drifted across your path, it wouldn't make any sense to get angry at it. It makes no more sense to get angry at road raging morons than it does to yell at an empty boat. Just repeat to yourself, "Empty boat." I admit I'm not 100% perfect at this, but when I am successful, it's very gratifying to NOT have gotten angry, and to NOT have let the asshole spoil my day. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "allspammersmustdie" before responding.) I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. |
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On 1 Sep 2004 14:21:57 -0700, (Calm n Collected) wrote (more or less):
.... It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle! Don't let it get you so upset. Many parents don't have their priorities straight and don't teach resposibility. They aren't themselves responsible and either is their progeny. Unfortunately we live in a fallen world. One neighborhood boy thought it was cute to ride his bike in the other lane towards an oncoming car like you see in movies with two cars racing towards each other. That's the big reason that we have bicycle helmets now. I'm a little confused. You now have biccylcle helmets so you can ride bikes towards oncoming cars? Or you now have bicycle helmets because another cyclist has ridden towards oncoming cars? In either event, please realise that bicycle helmets are not designed to withstand head-on impacts from motor vehicles, but are designed for falling off your bike when cycling at low speed. Be thankful for each ride where you come home. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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On 1 Sep 2004 14:21:57 -0700, (Calm n Collected) wrote (more or less):
.... It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle! Don't let it get you so upset. Many parents don't have their priorities straight and don't teach resposibility. They aren't themselves responsible and either is their progeny. Unfortunately we live in a fallen world. One neighborhood boy thought it was cute to ride his bike in the other lane towards an oncoming car like you see in movies with two cars racing towards each other. That's the big reason that we have bicycle helmets now. I'm a little confused. You now have biccylcle helmets so you can ride bikes towards oncoming cars? Or you now have bicycle helmets because another cyclist has ridden towards oncoming cars? In either event, please realise that bicycle helmets are not designed to withstand head-on impacts from motor vehicles, but are designed for falling off your bike when cycling at low speed. Be thankful for each ride where you come home. -- Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft: http://www.gawnsoft.co.sr Symbian/Epoc wiki: http://html.dnsalias.net:1122 Smalltalk links (harvested from comp.lang.smalltalk) http://html.dnsalias.net/gawnsoft/smalltalk |
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Mitch Haley wrote in message ...
[...] So the question here is: Who had road rage - the truck driver or the cyclist? If you believe the cyclist's story, the driver was. Somebody yelled at him, he responded in kind, [...] "...he responded in kind..." That's where the problem starts with road rage incidents. If the victim of the initial act of road rage can just be cool and let it pass, subsequent acts of stupidity do not occur. This true for both motorists and cyclists. In this case, if the cyclist had held his tounge for 2 seconds, he would not be facing assault charges (which could be life-ruining), a guy would not have been shot, multiple lawyers would not be 10's of thousands of dollars richer, and this stupid avoidable case would not be in the court system. Responding to road rage just isn't worth it. Its not worth the risk to your life, car, beater bike, or even your retro cycling apparel. Its not even worth gritting your teeth for. |
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Mitch Haley wrote in message ...
[...] So the question here is: Who had road rage - the truck driver or the cyclist? If you believe the cyclist's story, the driver was. Somebody yelled at him, he responded in kind, [...] "...he responded in kind..." That's where the problem starts with road rage incidents. If the victim of the initial act of road rage can just be cool and let it pass, subsequent acts of stupidity do not occur. This true for both motorists and cyclists. In this case, if the cyclist had held his tounge for 2 seconds, he would not be facing assault charges (which could be life-ruining), a guy would not have been shot, multiple lawyers would not be 10's of thousands of dollars richer, and this stupid avoidable case would not be in the court system. Responding to road rage just isn't worth it. Its not worth the risk to your life, car, beater bike, or even your retro cycling apparel. Its not even worth gritting your teeth for. |
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Mitch Haley wrote in message ...
Calm n Collected wrote: One neighborhood boy thought it was cute to ride his bike in the other lane towards an oncoming car like you see in movies with two cars racing towards each other. That's the big reason that we have bicycle helmets now. What reason? With or without a helmet you need a closed casket funeral when a kid gets splattered on the front of a car in a head-on. Mitch. No, parents not teaching kids to be careful and paying attention is a big reason people are wearing helmets. I have been riding 40 yrs without a helmet, but then I am very careful and ride with the assumption that all drivers are "challenged." |
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