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patrick wrote:
I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back, but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. There has been plenty of "real research" cited on this topic. For example, you might visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org and track down some of the cited articles. Regarding the effect of helmet use on fatalities, you can visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1012 and see citations at the page bottom. Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots of citations listed there, too. Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute", www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups." Be aware that there is _very_ serious discussion taking place in many scholarly publications regarding the effectiveness of helmets. In general, we seem to have the public (under the influence of heavy promotion) believing that helmets are a godsend. Meanwhile, competent statisticians who examine the actual data are much, much more skeptical of both the supposed benefit, and the supposed need. -- --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu] |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots of citations listed there, too. This site (at least, the so-called "Helmet FAQ") was created by a rabid anti-helmet person who would spew continued personal abuse at anyone who disagreed with him in the slightest. You should note Krygowski's tactics. He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately disparages it. Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute", www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups." Randy's site is not "rabid," even if you don't agree with everything he says (or anything he says, for that matter.) Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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Tim McNamara writes:
(Bill Z.) writes: You should note Krygowski's tactics. Yours are exactly the same tactics. Hmmm. Liar. -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, (Bill Z.)
wrote in message : He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately disparages it. No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging. Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" writes:
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, (Bill Z.) wrote in message : He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately disparages it. No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging. Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.) But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post. Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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"Bill Z." wrote in message
... "Just zis Guy, you know?" writes: On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:09:37 GMT, (Bill Z.) wrote in message : He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately disparages it. No need - Randy does his own auto-disparaging. Randy is no more biased than Avery (who did the one Frank liked.) But note the assymetrical treatment in Frank's post. Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. Randy's site is even set up so that you can't find the anti-helmet information but he puts it there in hard to find locations so that he can say that it's really there. Avery doesn't like helmet laws and is up front about it. |
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"Tom Kunich" writes:
From last string of messages from Kunich: Zauman, you haven't changed in 12 years. .. Kunich is reverting to form. When he sees the word "helmet," he goes competely irrational and starts to become abusive. If you want to see how abusive this jerk can be, check out the following URL, where he'll tell you in his own words: http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=_PXb9.10094%24N%254.819675%40newsread2.prod .itd.earthlink.net. Kunich has posted repeated lies about me, with post after post of childish insults, all due to his helmet hangup. He is simply not credible on this subject. Next message: Just like a dozen years ago, you simply make things up as you go. That doesn't surprise me at all. You also seem eager to avoid believing strong evidence that is contrary to your agenda. More lies from Kunich. That's because you never looked. The fact that there was a super dramatic drop in children's bicycle sales didn't seem to garner any attention from you either. He means they saturated the market with one type of bike and a new style wasn't out yet, so some random person Kunich talked to blamed the helmets, assuming Kunich didn't maket he whole thing up. Basically he talked to a shop owner who was mad that business had dropped off for some reason. Like many people upset about a loss of income, the guy probably needed something to blame, and picked the first convenient target. Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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