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Old September 9th 05, 02:05 AM
Edward Dolan
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"Sunset Fanatic" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
...
My dreams all seem to be nightmares. I had one the other night about Tom
Sherman returning to this newsgroup to plague me once again, and lo and
behold, he is back. Same old, same old (with footnotes and all), but now
he
is calling himself something to do with a sunset. He is now apparently
living in a place called the Fox Valley, a distant suburb of Chicago....


On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
this context.


The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are. Therefore,
you have created confusion where none existed before.

Off topic content: The municipality I am residing in was established
well before the area between it and the City of Chicago was developed
for residential and commercial purposes. Therefore, it is not a suburb
in the pejorative sense of the term, but a long established independent
city that has been encroached upon by urban sprawl.


Well, Hells Bells, is that not the case everywhere. Let's face it. You are
no more living in an independent community than you were when you were
living on the outskirts of the Quad Cities. You are doomed to live your life
in suburbia because that is where all the growth in the country is.

I even consider the Quad Cities to be essentially tied into Chicago as far
as the economics are concerned. If you would like to live in an independent
community, you would have to relocate to the boondocks and make the big
sacrifice in your income. To get away from suburbia you would have to live
in a small town far removed from any metro. Even medium size cities have
suburbs these days.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



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  #72  
Old September 9th 05, 04:53 AM
Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
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Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM], wrote:
"Sunset Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...
...
On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
this context.


The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are. Therefore,
you have created confusion where none existed before.


The rest of world needs to get with the program then!

Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!

Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC!
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

  #73  
Old September 9th 05, 03:15 PM
Edward Dolan
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"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...

Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM], wrote:
"Sunset Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...
...
On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
this context.


The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are.
Therefore,
you have created confusion where none existed before.


The rest of world needs to get with the program then!

Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!

Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC!


Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was a
very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the time.
Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when you
mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.

Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and was
not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota





  #74  
Old September 10th 05, 01:48 AM
Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...

Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM], wrote:
"Sunset Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...
...
On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
this context.

The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are.
Therefore,
you have created confusion where none existed before.


The rest of world needs to get with the program then!

Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!

Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC!


Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was a
very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the time.
Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when you
mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.


I will have to educate those ignorant of the finer qualities of the
Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM], then.

Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and was
not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.


I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
failure of Earth Cycles.

Once the bicycle leaves than manufacturer, its qualities are
independent of the manufacturer. Should we destroy all copies of
Wagner's musical scores because of his bigotry and numerous failings as
a person? Would that action benefit the human race in any way - or can
we appreciate something for its intrinsic value independent of its
creator?

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

  #75  
Old September 10th 05, 03:59 AM
Edward Dolan
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Default Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)


"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...

Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was
a
very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the
time.
Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when
you
mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.


I will have to educate those ignorant of the finer qualities of the
Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM], then.

Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and
was
not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.


I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
failure of Earth Cycles.


That man had no business sense at all. He over priced his bikes and would
not make himself available to his customers. But mostly, I do not like small
manufacturers no matter how precious they think themselves to be. RANS was
the best thing that ever happened to the recumbent world.

Once the bicycle leaves than manufacturer, its qualities are
independent of the manufacturer. Should we destroy all copies of
Wagner's musical scores because of his bigotry and numerous failings as
a person? Would that action benefit the human race in any way - or can
we appreciate something for its intrinsic value independent of its
creator?


I would never condemn Wagner as a composer, but that would not prevent me
from condemning him as a man. I always remember what the great conductor
Toscanini said about Richard Strauss who stayed in Germany and prospered in
the Third Reich. He said I take my hat off to the composer, but I put my hat
back on my head for the man. Like Toscanini, I can separate the art from the
man.

I miss Toscanini. I grew up listening to all his performances of the
standard symphonic repertoire and there is no one today who does it like he
did. His tempos were always just right and his orchestral balance and
dynamics were also just right. Those who think Bernstein was a great
conductor do not know what they are talking about. God, do I ever hate
conductors who take liberties with tempos.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



  #76  
Old September 10th 05, 05:36 AM
Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" wrote in message
oups.com...
...
I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
failure of Earth Cycles.


That man had no business sense at all. He over priced his bikes and would
not make himself available to his customers. But mostly, I do not like small
manufacturers no matter how precious they think themselves to be....


I wonder if Ed Dolan has ever closely examined a Sunset or Dragonflyer?
Both are fairly "complex" in terms of number of operations to make the
frames, including numerous braze-ons, mandrel bent tubing, and inserts
for the sliding boom (and frame on the Sunset). They included custom
welded racks and drive train parts. Some of the parts used were not
exactly inexpensive [1]. The seats probably took more time than the
frame to fabricate. I am not surprised that Earth Cycles did not make
much, if any profit at the prices they charged. One could argue that
the designs should have been simpler, but then they would lose much,
like the wide range gearing and excellent shifting of the Sunset or the
"pogo" free suspension of the Dragonflyer, both due to the use of the
mid-drive gearing step-up jackshaft.

RANS was the best thing that ever happened to the recumbent world....


If you want a well designed and well made recumbent bicycle that is an
excellent value for the money, you will not go wrong with anything that
RANS sells. However, they are not special in the way the Sunset and
Dragonflyer are. The Sunset is unique in many ways, and there was
neither a comparable predecessor nor has there been a successor.

I strongly recommend owning more than one Sunset, so one always has one
in reserve.

[1] The two custom Phil Wood hubs on the Dragonflyer or the front
custom Phil Wood and standard rear Phil Wood hub on a Sunset were
likely more than $500 wholesale.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

 




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