Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction

Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html

Cheers

On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html

Cheers

"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist
were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road
at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said
he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb
Group truck...

"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road
safety to become an issue in May’s town hall elections after revealing
that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the
last four years."

Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists
away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed
most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski laid this down on his screen :
On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html

Cheers

"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist were
travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road at the
time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said he thought
the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb Group truck...

"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road safety to
become an issue in May’s town hall elections after revealing that only three
boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the last four years."

Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists away
from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed most London
cyclists, yet people keep riding there.

Sometimes cyclist just get overtaken by trucks, but in general:
cyclists: stay away from the left (inner) side of trucks, if necessary
bt braking or hopping on the sidewalk.

On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:02:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html



Cheers



"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist

were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road

at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said

he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb

Group truck...



"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road

safety to become an issue in May's town hall elections after revealing

that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the

last four years."



Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists

away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed

most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.

Crap, what is it about cyclists and garbage trucks?

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...who_hospi.html

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingn...ident_wit.html

Google it, and you'll see that getting hit by a garbage truck is a popular way to get squashed in other cities, too.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/4/2014 2:22 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:02:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html



Cheers



"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist

were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road

at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said

he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb

Group truck...



"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road

safety to become an issue in May's town hall elections after revealing

that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the

last four years."



Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists

away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed

most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.

Crap, what is it about cyclists and garbage trucks?

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...who_hospi.html

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingn...ident_wit.html

Google it, and you'll see that getting hit by a garbage truck is a popular way to get squashed in other cities, too.

Along with buses and snow plows. I think it's the boring repetitiveness
of the job.

On 4/4/2014 2:22 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:02:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html



Cheers



"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist

were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road

at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said

he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb

Group truck...



"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road

safety to become an issue in May's town hall elections after revealing

that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the

last four years."



Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists

away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed

most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.

Crap, what is it about cyclists and garbage trucks?

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...who_hospi.html

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingn...ident_wit.html

Google it, and you'll see that getting hit by a garbage truck is a popular way to get squashed in other cities, too.

-- Jay Beattie.

It sounds like one of those incidents was caused by riding at the curb
side of a large vehicle that turns in that direction. Whether there's a
bike lane there or not, it's a suicidal place to be.

The other report said "Police said Casperson was riding his bike
southbound on 17th Avenue on the east side of the street and was
crossing McLoughlin when the collision occurred." So the guy on the
bike was riding on the wrong side of the road.

These are good examples of crashes that wouldn't happen to more
competent cyclists.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:22:38 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:02:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:



Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction







http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html







Cheers







"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist



were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road



at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said



he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb



Group truck...







"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road



safety to become an issue in May's town hall elections after revealing



that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the



last four years."







Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists



away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed



most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.



Crap, what is it about cyclists and garbage trucks?



http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...who_hospi.html



http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingn...ident_wit.html



Google it, and you'll see that getting hit by a garbage truck is a popular way to get squashed in other cities, too.



-- Jay Beattie.
With regards to:

Cyclist dies in wreck with garbage truck

So according to the cop it's the bicyclist who must know whether they're in a blind spot or not?

"But Portland Police Lt. Mark Kruger said that solving the problem requires more than just faulting drivers.

"It's a terrible tragedy for everybody involved," he said, adding that he couldn't comment on the specifics of today's collision yet. Cyclists need to ride defensively and be aware if they are moving too fast or are in a place where motorists can't see them, he said. "You can be right, and you can be dead right.""

What if the bicyclist isn't a motorist or a large truck driver How are they to know whether the driver can see them or not?

Cheers

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, April 4, 2014 2:22:38 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:02:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 4/3/2014 8:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:



Cyclist dies in crash with lorry at Ludgate Circus junction







http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...n-9235134.html







Cheers







"It is understood both the lorry, said to be a waste truck, and cyclist



were travelling down Fleet Street and turning left into Farringdon Road



at the time of the crash. One witness, who asked not to be named, said



he thought the bike had been travelling along the inside of the Squibb



Group truck...







"Yesterday the protest group Stop Killing Cyclists called for road



safety to become an issue in May's town hall elections after revealing



that only three boroughs had installed segregated cycle lanes in the



last four years."







Seems to me that Stop Killing Cyclists should focus on keeping cyclists



away from the curb side of left-turning lorries! That's what's killed



most London cyclists, yet people keep riding there.



Crap, what is it about cyclists and garbage trucks?



http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/...who_hospi.html



http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingn...ident_wit.html



Google it, and you'll see that getting hit by a garbage truck is a
popular way to get squashed in other cities, too.



-- Jay Beattie.
With regards to:

Cyclist dies in wreck with garbage truck

So according to the cop it's the bicyclist who must know whether they're
in a blind spot or not?

"But Portland Police Lt. Mark Kruger said that solving the problem
requires more than just faulting drivers.

"It's a terrible tragedy for everybody involved," he said, adding that he
couldn't comment on the specifics of today's collision yet. Cyclists need
to ride defensively and be aware if they are moving too fast or are in a
place where motorists can't see them, he said. "You can be right, and you
can be dead right.""

What if the bicyclist isn't a motorist or a large truck driver How are
they to know whether the driver can see them or not?

Cheers

Or what if the truck passed the cyclist and puts him inside his turn?
--
duane

On 4/4/2014 6:16 PM, Duane wrote:


Or what if the truck passed the cyclist and puts him inside his turn?

This is a good reason to ride in a prominent lane position. They're
less likely to forget immediately after they've passed.

If the lane is very wide (or you're in a bike lane) and a car or truck
half-passes just before an intersection then begins slowing, one should
take it as a very serious warning. Get ready to do some quick evasive
maneuvers.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, April 4, 2014 5:42:02 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/4/2014 6:16 PM, Duane wrote:





Or what if the truck passed the cyclist and puts him inside his turn?



This is a good reason to ride in a prominent lane position. They're

less likely to forget immediately after they've passed.



If the lane is very wide (or you're in a bike lane) and a car or truck

half-passes just before an intersection then begins slowing, one should

take it as a very serious warning. Get ready to do some quick evasive

maneuvers.

Yes, drop back and prepare to go around, if possible. A bus did that to me last week -- went by and then immediately cut over at pretty high speed, lining up for a stop. I'm going between 25-30mph (mild downhill); I dropped back; the the bus pulls over; I go around . . . and the bus pulls out, having decided no one wanted to get on/off. I'm directly next to the bus and get pushed in to middle of two, fast moving lanes. I'm trying to drop back without getting killed by cars behind the bus. And then some asswipe in a car yells at me. "You're going to get yourself killed, etc., etc. -- as though I planned to be riding where I was. F****** moroon.

I also agree that on narrow roads with slow moving traffic, it does pay to take the lane. Getting in to traffic is sometimes difficult though, depending on traffic speed and sight lines.

-- Jay Beattie.