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Old January 6th 18, 07:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?




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Old January 6th 18, 08:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mr Pounder Esquire
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Simon Jester wrote:
http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the
motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?


Pillock.


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Old January 6th 18, 08:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:18:55 PM UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the
motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?


Pillock.


Still obsessed with male genitalia, I see.
Now try answering the question.

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Old January 7th 18, 10:12 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On 07.01.2018 08:18, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the
motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?


Pillock.


Eh?
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Old January 6th 18, 09:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa


Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.
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Old January 6th 18, 10:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Smart Motorway Costs

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa


Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?


VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.


So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.


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Old January 7th 18, 12:12 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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Default Smart Motorway Costs

On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa


Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?


VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.


So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

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Old January 7th 18, 06:26 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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Default Smart Motorway Costs

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?


VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.


So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.


So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



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Old January 7th 18, 10:52 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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Default Smart Motorway Costs

On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.


So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.

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Old January 7th 18, 03:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Smart Motorway Costs

On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Pedestrians aren't allowed on motorways whether they have driving
licences or not.

Apart from mopeds, invalid carriages, certain milk floats and maybe one
or two other equally esoteric specialist vehicles, any vehicle which
uses taxed motor spirit (petrol or diesel) is allowed onto a motorway.

At a conservative estimate, tax paid annually on fuel for the average
private car will be a minimum of about ten times more than the rate of
Road Tax for that vehicle. In the case of my own car, with its £20 a
year Road Tax, the fuel tax bill over 12,000 miles is more than sixty
times greater, at something like £1250+ a year. And that's in addition
to the Road Tax, plus Insurance Premium Tax, plus VAT on servicing,
repairs and consumables.

PS: I have always thought it daft - and probably immoral - to charge VAT
on essential safety maintenance and spares on any vehicle.

 




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