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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:39:34 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. |
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On 07/01/2018 17:17, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 3:39:34 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? It is the same as the tax on a new bicycle. http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Is there some point you are failing to make? Given that you erroneously claimed that everybody pays income tax and council tax, and whereas that is not true, have a guess at the point he was making. |
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On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote:
On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax |
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. |
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On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax. Your comment therefore is not true. |
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On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:45:13 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax. Your comment therefore is not true. Strawman alert! The point is these new smart motorways are paid for by all tax payers whether they can use them or not. Motoring taxes don't even cover the cost of maintaining the current motorway network. |
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On 08/01/2018 15:53, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:45:13 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax. Your comment therefore is not true. Strawman alert! The point is these new smart motorways are paid for by all tax payers whether they can use them or not. Motoring taxes don't even cover the cost of maintaining the current motorway network. Where does the money come from then, is it just taxes from people who do not use motor vehicles? |
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On 08/01/2018 23:13, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/01/2018 15:53, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:45:13 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax. Your comment therefore is not true. Strawman alert! The point is these new smart motorways are paid for by all tax payers whether they can use them or not. Motoring taxes don't even cover the cost of maintaining the current motorway network. Where does the money come from then, is it just taxes from people who do not use motor vehicles? everyone benefits from motorways, whether they can themselves drive on them is irrelevant. Apart from the bed ridden, everyone can travel on them too. |
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On 08.01.2018 09:15, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I will never be kind to a cyclist. That is the last thing I would expect of you. What have you smeared your chisel with this time? |
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On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 7:55:55 AM UTC, MrCheerful wrote:
On 08/01/2018 23:13, Tony Dragon wrote: On 08/01/2018 15:53, Simon Jester wrote: On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:45:13 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote: On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote: On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote: On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote: On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote: http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ £274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone. £4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6. Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes? VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that. So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service. tolls etc does not exist. Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways. Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax. No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport. And what about tax on a new car? http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/ 31 Junctions on the M5 £2.8 Billion 47 Junctions on M1 £4.3 Billion How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge? I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money from council tax & central government. So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule. No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided. So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax? Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge. Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax. No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use. Everybody does not pay income tax. Everybody does not pay council tax. Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be: "Not everybody pays income tax. Not everybody pays council tax." There's a difference! I accept your correction. But to put it into context:- My son does not pay council tax My brother in law does not pay income tax So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists. Thanks for your support. My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax. Your comment therefore is not true. Strawman alert! The point is these new smart motorways are paid for by all tax payers whether they can use them or not. Motoring taxes don't even cover the cost of maintaining the current motorway network. Where does the money come from then, is it just taxes from people who do not use motor vehicles? everyone benefits from motorways, whether they can themselves drive on them is irrelevant. Apart from the bed ridden, everyone can travel on them too. So you would be happy if a motorway was built through your garden? |
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