Newest Campagnolo engineering

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:01:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 2:45:01 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:38:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/28/2021 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/

From that page: "I think I’m not alone in keeping old bikes running.
It’s not always about the latest & greatest!"

Amen!
No, no, Frank! New is Good! After all your Famous President - The
Golden Boy - even got a new wife, three times.

Your jealously is showing. Tell me, is it his attraction to beautiful women or his money?
"Your jealously is showing"? What in the world is a "jealously"? Its
it a thing like the girls panties and the flightless parrot that you
were going on about?

But as for wives, I've been married to this one for just about 50
years and have no thoughts what so ever about changing her out for a
new model.

And as for money? Well, I've got sufficient funds to support me in the
manner to which I've become accustomed for the rest of my life. Who
could ask for more?

So, your wife doesn't know she could do better simply by opening a box of cracker jacks? She must be pretty slow.

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 29/1/21 6:45 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:24:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/


I believe that the cog spacing for 11, 12, 13 and 14 are identical
between all of the brands. It probably would have been a better idea
to make Campy cogsets compatible with all of the other brands. It
isn't as if people are going to revert to 10 speeds though I
suggested to Shimano that they made their new wireless levers
programmable to shift any cogset with any spacing. This in fact would
be extremely easy. But perhaps brand loyalty would keep them from
doing that.

https://archercomponents.com/

"
Simple Setup

Don't know your shifter's pull ratio? Me neither!

Use the Archer app to quickly setup and tune your gears. No special
tools or technical skills required.

Set the number of gears from 2 to 20 and dial in each gear position to
0.25mm precision.

Then use the app to gain total control of how your electronic shifter runs.

Thanks for that information James. That sort of programmability is exactly what I sent a letter to Shimano about. Let's see if they respond.

On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:03:01 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:20:16 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:01:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 2:45:01 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 14:38:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 1/28/2021 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/

From that page: "I think I’m not alone in keeping old bikes running.
It’s not always about the latest & greatest!"

Amen!
No, no, Frank! New is Good! After all your Famous President - The
Golden Boy - even got a new wife, three times.

Your jealously is showing. Tell me, is it his attraction to beautiful women or his money?
"Your jealously is showing"? What in the world is a "jealously"? Its
it a thing like the girls panties and the flightless parrot that you
were going on about?

But as for wives, I've been married to this one for just about 50
years and have no thoughts what so ever about changing her out for a
new model.

And as for money? Well, I've got sufficient funds to support me in the
manner to which I've become accustomed for the rest of my life. Who
could ask for more?

So, your wife doesn't know she could do better simply by opening a box of cracker jacks? She must be pretty slow.

Well, a really nice shot. So you are you into insulting wives now?
What's next? Insulting mothers?

You really are a pitiful piece of ****, aren't you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Op dinsdag 2 februari 2021 om 19:09:49 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 29/1/21 6:45 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:24:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/


I believe that the cog spacing for 11, 12, 13 and 14 are identical
between all of the brands. It probably would have been a better idea
to make Campy cogsets compatible with all of the other brands. It
isn't as if people are going to revert to 10 speeds though I
suggested to Shimano that they made their new wireless levers
programmable to shift any cogset with any spacing. This in fact would
be extremely easy. But perhaps brand loyalty would keep them from
doing that.

https://archercomponents.com/

"
Simple Setup

Don't know your shifter's pull ratio? Me neither!

Use the Archer app to quickly setup and tune your gears. No special
tools or technical skills required.

Set the number of gears from 2 to 20 and dial in each gear position to
0.25mm precision.

Then use the app to gain total control of how your electronic shifter runs.
Thanks for that information James. That sort of programmability is exactly what I sent a letter to Shimano about. Let's see if they respond.

Maybe they will respond out of courtesy but I'm almost certain they don't going to implement that. Why should they? It was already possible with the current Di2 systems.

Lou

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:10:06 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op dinsdag 2 februari 2021 om 19:09:49 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 29/1/21 6:45 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:24:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/


I believe that the cog spacing for 11, 12, 13 and 14 are identical
between all of the brands. It probably would have been a better idea
to make Campy cogsets compatible with all of the other brands. It
isn't as if people are going to revert to 10 speeds though I
suggested to Shimano that they made their new wireless levers
programmable to shift any cogset with any spacing. This in fact would
be extremely easy. But perhaps brand loyalty would keep them from
doing that.

https://archercomponents.com/

"
Simple Setup

Don't know your shifter's pull ratio? Me neither!

Use the Archer app to quickly setup and tune your gears. No special
tools or technical skills required.

Set the number of gears from 2 to 20 and dial in each gear position to
0.25mm precision.

Then use the app to gain total control of how your electronic shifter runs.
Thanks for that information James. That sort of programmability is exactly what I sent a letter to Shimano about. Let's see if they respond.
Maybe they will respond out of courtesy but I'm almost certain they don't going to implement that. Why should they? It was already possible with the current Di2 systems.

Lou

I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.

Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 17:06:28 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:10:06 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op dinsdag 2 februari 2021 om 19:09:49 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:54:12 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 29/1/21 6:45 am, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:24:30 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://bikerumor.com/2021/01/25/cam...eed-cassettes/


I believe that the cog spacing for 11, 12, 13 and 14 are identical
between all of the brands. It probably would have been a better idea
to make Campy cogsets compatible with all of the other brands. It
isn't as if people are going to revert to 10 speeds though I
suggested to Shimano that they made their new wireless levers
programmable to shift any cogset with any spacing. This in fact would
be extremely easy. But perhaps brand loyalty would keep them from
doing that.

https://archercomponents.com/

"
Simple Setup

Don't know your shifter's pull ratio? Me neither!

Use the Archer app to quickly setup and tune your gears. No special
tools or technical skills required.

Set the number of gears from 2 to 20 and dial in each gear position to
0.25mm precision.

Then use the app to gain total control of how your electronic shifter runs.
Thanks for that information James. That sort of programmability is exactly what I sent a letter to Shimano about. Let's see if they respond.
Maybe they will respond out of courtesy but I'm almost certain they don't going to implement that. Why should they? It was already possible with the current Di2 systems.

Lou
I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur.. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.


No it not a hardware issue. There is a DC motor/gearbox in the rear and front derailleur with an encoder. You can move the RD any amount by just telling him to move a x number of encoder pulses per click of your shifter switch. That is basic stuff in my world of positioning at work.
I still plan to take my RD apart that got broken last year to show what is inside.

Lou

On 2/3/2021 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 17:06:28 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:

I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.


No it not a hardware issue. There is a DC motor/gearbox in the rear and front derailleur with an encoder. You can move the RD any amount by just telling him to move a x number of encoder pulses per click of your shifter switch. That is basic stuff in my world of positioning at work.
I still plan to take my RD apart that got broken last year to show what is inside.

I'll be interested in seeing that. (And I agree about the motor and
encoder.)


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/3/2021 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 17:06:28 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:

I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.


No it not a hardware issue. There is a DC motor/gearbox in the rear and front derailleur with an encoder. You can move the RD any amount by just telling him to move a x number of encoder pulses per click of your shifter switch. That is basic stuff in my world of positioning at work.
I still plan to take my RD apart that got broken last year to show what is inside.
I'll be interested in seeing that. (And I agree about the motor and
encoder.)

Learn by destroying . . . or just destroying. If the motor works, this kid probably just failed to reset his uber-expensive RD after a crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsPk...lsOfMarcoVlogs

Note: https://fitwerx.com/converting-shima...2-to-11-speed/ The 6770 RD will not "recognize" 11sp shift command (?), but the shifters are upgradeable to 11sp. Hmm.

-- Jay Beattie.

Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 19:18:59 UTC+1 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 2/3/2021 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 17:06:28 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:

I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.


No it not a hardware issue. There is a DC motor/gearbox in the rear and front derailleur with an encoder. You can move the RD any amount by just telling him to move a x number of encoder pulses per click of your shifter switch. That is basic stuff in my world of positioning at work.
I still plan to take my RD apart that got broken last year to show what is inside.
I'll be interested in seeing that. (And I agree about the motor and
encoder.)


--
- Frank Krygowski

I need a Dremel tool for that. My Dremel broke a couple of years ago. I will get a new one.

Lou

Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 19:33:48 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:18:59 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/3/2021 12:43 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op woensdag 3 februari 2021 om 17:06:28 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:

I wonder what Tom means by "that sort of programmability." The Archer product is just some sort of motor pulling a cable and not moving a derailleur. You can reprogram the Di2 firmware in 10sp shifters to shift 11sp, but the RD mechanism is not "re-programmable" AFAIK. It is a worm-drive system, and probably (I don't know this) the shift jumps are dependent on the internal cog/drive/motor. Its a hardware issue and not a software issue.

-- Jay Beattie.


No it not a hardware issue. There is a DC motor/gearbox in the rear and front derailleur with an encoder. You can move the RD any amount by just telling him to move a x number of encoder pulses per click of your shifter switch. That is basic stuff in my world of positioning at work.
I still plan to take my RD apart that got broken last year to show what is inside.
I'll be interested in seeing that. (And I agree about the motor and
encoder.)
Learn by destroying . . . or just destroying. If the motor works, this kid probably just failed to reset his uber-expensive RD after a crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsPk...lsOfMarcoVlogs

Mine is really broken because it ended up in the spokes twice. Every lever in the RD is deformed, but the motor still works. Start watching from 6.10 min on.


Note: https://fitwerx.com/converting-shima...2-to-11-speed/ The 6770 RD will not "recognize" 11sp shift command (?), but the shifters are upgradeable to 11sp. Hmm.

Indeed.

Lou