cycling in Los Angeles and cycling in Melbourne

: I think that's an easy excuse to dish out, and doesn't really give
: respect to voters.

No... I don't give much respect to most voters. Having "most voters" win
elections. Some voters are very astute and can see long term advantage.
However a lot are won or lost in campaigns at the end of the day. Weather
plays a part... Whether we have won the world cup in xxx sport the last
month plays a part.

This is my opinion BTW but I still respect yours.

Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
: election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
: in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be

: better. He's still there.

No he is not. We are talking about past victorian premier Jeff Kennet?
Just goes to show people are smarter than

: you think.

IMHO No there not. Not in general. There was probably many reasons why he
stayed in power. You cannot say to me that Howard is still in power because
he took some tough decisions on tax and waterfront reform. You cannot say
Kennet did not give sweeteners to the voters to get him over the line at the
end of the day.

In that its all about a juggling act. They have to sweeten but they also
must deliver quality.

I cannot agree with your POV at this point. I know I sound cynical but with
reason.

Anyway... Keep cycling.

Pete

: I think that's an easy excuse to dish out, and doesn't really give
: respect to voters.

No... I don't give much respect to most voters. Having "most voters" win
elections. Some voters are very astute and can see long term advantage.
However a lot are won or lost in campaigns at the end of the day. Weather
plays a part... Whether we have won the world cup in xxx sport the last
month plays a part.

This is my opinion BTW but I still respect yours.

Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
: election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
: in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be

: better. He's still there.

No he is not. We are talking about past victorian premier Jeff Kennet?
Just goes to show people are smarter than

: you think.

IMHO No there not. Not in general. There was probably many reasons why he
stayed in power. You cannot say to me that Howard is still in power because
he took some tough decisions on tax and waterfront reform. You cannot say
Kennet did not give sweeteners to the voters to get him over the line at the
end of the day.

In that its all about a juggling act. They have to sweeten but they also
must deliver quality.

I cannot agree with your POV at this point. I know I sound cynical but with
reason.

Anyway... Keep cycling.

Pete

Andy White wrote in message
.au...
In article ,
says...
: Problem is that pollies need to manage a project closely and get it
: right from the start for a PT project to win votes. It requires
: effort.

Not really... The sort of PT investment we need will take longer than a
term
of government. Most voters can only see what happened in the last
couple of
months.

I think that's an easy excuse to dish out, and doesn't really give
respect to voters. Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be
better. He's still there. Just goes to show people are smarter than
you think.

???

He was kicked out two terms ago on a protest vote.

Tim

Andy White wrote in message
.au...
In article ,
says...
: Problem is that pollies need to manage a project closely and get it
: right from the start for a PT project to win votes. It requires
: effort.

Not really... The sort of PT investment we need will take longer than a
term
of government. Most voters can only see what happened in the last
couple of
months.

I think that's an easy excuse to dish out, and doesn't really give
respect to voters. Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be
better. He's still there. Just goes to show people are smarter than
you think.

???

He was kicked out two terms ago on a protest vote.

Tim

Paul J wrote:
I wonder how many car owners actually weigh up the true expense of
owning a car, new or old, and decide that the added financial burden
would outstrip the convenience of owning a car. This would have to
include a commitment to regular maintenance of an older vehicle.

I see far to many old bombs on the road. No brakes, no lights, smokey
exhaust. This is socially irresponsible. snip

Agreed - in NSW you can report smokey vehicles to the RTA on 131555.
They will ask your name, where you saw the car, it's rego/model/colour,
and what type of smoke it was blowing and for how long (they want to
catch the chronic smoke-blowers, not people starting their cars on a
cold morning).

I think if a petrol car gets reported twice, they send the owner a
notice, and if it's a diesel, it only takes one report (something to do
with different expected levels of smoke, I dunno).

&roo

Paul J wrote:
I wonder how many car owners actually weigh up the true expense of
owning a car, new or old, and decide that the added financial burden
would outstrip the convenience of owning a car. This would have to
include a commitment to regular maintenance of an older vehicle.

I see far to many old bombs on the road. No brakes, no lights, smokey
exhaust. This is socially irresponsible. snip

Agreed - in NSW you can report smokey vehicles to the RTA on 131555.
They will ask your name, where you saw the car, it's rego/model/colour,
and what type of smoke it was blowing and for how long (they want to
catch the chronic smoke-blowers, not people starting their cars on a
cold morning).

I think if a petrol car gets reported twice, they send the owner a
notice, and if it's a diesel, it only takes one report (something to do
with different expected levels of smoke, I dunno).

&roo

: catch the chronic smoke-blowers, not people starting their cars on a
: cold morning).

Thats right. Most cars blow steam on a cold morning.

:
: I think if a petrol car gets reported twice, they send the owner a
: notice, and if it's a diesel, it only takes one report

I never knew you could report cars. Or if you did anything would be done.
I have seen some shockers.

: catch the chronic smoke-blowers, not people starting their cars on a
: cold morning).

Thats right. Most cars blow steam on a cold morning.

:
: I think if a petrol car gets reported twice, they send the owner a
: notice, and if it's a diesel, it only takes one report

I never knew you could report cars. Or if you did anything would be done.
I have seen some shockers.

Andy White wrote in message
Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be
better. He's still there. Just goes to show people are smarter than
you think.

That really is quite funny seeing as he's long gone. Apparently people
ARE smarter than you think...

Andy White wrote in message
Take Kennett as an example. During his initial
election campaign he said under his g'ment things were going to get bad
in the short term, but to stick with him and in the long run they'd be
better. He's still there. Just goes to show people are smarter than
you think.

That really is quite funny seeing as he's long gone. Apparently people
ARE smarter than you think...