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Baseball player Ryan Braun cleared.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...raunsuspension I'm shaking my head over this one. The sample was collected on a Saturday and the guy kept it in his fridge until Monday rather than have it sit unrefrigerated over the weekend with FedEx. The seals were unbroken when it arrived at the lab. I guess it shows what's possible once you get USADA out of the process. F |
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On Feb 24, 9:17*am, Fred Flintstein
wrote: Baseball player Ryan Braun cleared. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...QARvLYF?slug=a.... I'm shaking my head over this one. The sample was collected on a Saturday and the guy kept it in his fridge until Monday rather than have it sit unrefrigerated over the weekend with FedEx. The seals were unbroken when it arrived at the lab. I guess it shows what's possible once you get USADA out of the process. F "First reports" factor aside: who says the sample would have "sat over the weekend unrefrigerated" with FedEx? How long does a "positive specimen" remain positive, whether refrigerated or "in transit"? Next, how long does synthetic testosterone remain in the system? Longer or shorter than the alleged collection day plus "48 hours" plus time for the results to be posted (however that happened) and the athlete to arrange for, take, and get results for his own alleged test? Might we safely assume the arbitrator knows more details than what has been seen so far in the media? One reading of this affair is "What a bitch when the dope cops have to follow their own rules". Same old same olds for me-- "We knew they were doping", "white-out", "Floyd's first test" (contaminated but still somehow valid) and so forth, so on. Make good rules, test and find what you can find on the day, and go on to the next day. Or you can have more of this stuff. I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y |
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On Feb 24, 7:59*pm, --D-y wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:17*am, Fred Flintstein wrote: Baseball player Ryan Braun cleared. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...QARvLYF?slug=a... I'm shaking my head over this one. The sample was collected on a Saturday and the guy kept it in his fridge until Monday rather than have it sit unrefrigerated over the weekend with FedEx. The seals were unbroken when it arrived at the lab. I guess it shows what's possible once you get USADA out of the process. F "First reports" factor aside: who says the sample would have "sat over the weekend unrefrigerated" with FedEx? How long does a "positive specimen" remain positive, whether refrigerated or "in transit"? Next, how long does synthetic testosterone remain in the system? Longer or shorter than the alleged collection day plus "48 hours" plus time for the results to be posted (however that happened) and the athlete to arrange for, take, and get results for his own alleged test? Might we safely assume the arbitrator knows more details than what has been seen so far in the media? One reading of this affair is "What a bitch when the dope cops have to follow their own rules". Same old same olds for me-- "We knew they were doping", "white-out", "Floyd's first test" (contaminated but still somehow valid) and so forth, so on. Make good rules, test and find what you can find on the day, and go on to the next day. Or you can have more of this stuff. I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y The reason for the rule......suppose an LA sample was taken by Novitzky and kept over the weekend. How relaible would that sample be? Thanks and to those whining about the outcome I'll share this. The rules were put in place for very specific reasons; please don't question them after an outcome you don't like. That's really bad form. Phil H |
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Phil H wrote:
The reason for the rule......suppose an LA sample was taken by Novitzky and kept over the weekend. How relaible would that sample be? Thanks and to those whining about the outcome I'll share this. The rules were put in place for very specific reasons; please don't question them after an outcome you don't like. That's really bad form. Phil H +1 - the league agreed to the rules, so them's the rules and that's that. If they want to renogiate during the next contract round, let them ask. I'm gonna go pee in a cup now, just out of sympathy. -S- |
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On Feb 24, 9:15*pm, Phil H wrote:
On Feb 24, 7:59*pm, --D-y wrote: On Feb 24, 9:17*am, Fred Flintstein wrote: Baseball player Ryan Braun cleared. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...QARvLYF?slug=a... I'm shaking my head over this one. The sample was collected on a Saturday and the guy kept it in his fridge until Monday rather than have it sit unrefrigerated over the weekend with FedEx. The seals were unbroken when it arrived at the lab. I guess it shows what's possible once you get USADA out of the process. F "First reports" factor aside: who says the sample would have "sat over the weekend unrefrigerated" with FedEx? How long does a "positive specimen" remain positive, whether refrigerated or "in transit"? Next, how long does synthetic testosterone remain in the system? Longer or shorter than the alleged collection day plus "48 hours" plus time for the results to be posted (however that happened) and the athlete to arrange for, take, and get results for his own alleged test? Might we safely assume the arbitrator knows more details than what has been seen so far in the media? One reading of this affair is "What a bitch when the dope cops have to follow their own rules". Same old same olds for me-- "We knew they were doping", "white-out", "Floyd's first test" (contaminated but still somehow valid) and so forth, so on. Make good rules, test and find what you can find on the day, and go on to the next day. Or you can have more of this stuff. I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y The reason for the rule......suppose an LA sample was taken by Novitzky and kept over the weekend. How relaible would that sample be? Thanks and to those whining about the outcome I'll share this. The rules were put in place for very specific reasons; please don't question them after an outcome you don't like. That's really bad form. Phil H I don't think Flintstein was whining about the outcome. Fredmaster Ben |
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On Feb 25, 8:57*pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:15*pm, Phil H wrote: On Feb 24, 7:59*pm, --D-y wrote: On Feb 24, 9:17*am, Fred Flintstein wrote: Baseball player Ryan Braun cleared. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...QARvLYF?slug=a... I'm shaking my head over this one. The sample was collected on a Saturday and the guy kept it in his fridge until Monday rather than have it sit unrefrigerated over the weekend with FedEx. The seals were unbroken when it arrived at the lab. I guess it shows what's possible once you get USADA out of the process. F "First reports" factor aside: who says the sample would have "sat over the weekend unrefrigerated" with FedEx? How long does a "positive specimen" remain positive, whether refrigerated or "in transit"? Next, how long does synthetic testosterone remain in the system? Longer or shorter than the alleged collection day plus "48 hours" plus time for the results to be posted (however that happened) and the athlete to arrange for, take, and get results for his own alleged test? Might we safely assume the arbitrator knows more details than what has been seen so far in the media? One reading of this affair is "What a bitch when the dope cops have to follow their own rules". Same old same olds for me-- "We knew they were doping", "white-out", "Floyd's first test" (contaminated but still somehow valid) and so forth, so on. Make good rules, test and find what you can find on the day, and go on to the next day. Or you can have more of this stuff. I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y The reason for the rule......suppose an LA sample was taken by Novitzky and kept over the weekend. How relaible would that sample be? Thanks and to those whining about the outcome I'll share this. The rules were put in place for very specific reasons; please don't question them after an outcome you don't like. That's really bad form. Phil H I don't think Flintstein was whining about the outcome. Fredmaster Ben- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I addressed it as "those whining about the outcome" mainly for those folks in the article. But whoever the cap fits..... Also, for a previous comment by Steve, negotiating bad science is asking for more trouble than its worth. Phil H |
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I just sent Novitsky an email. He's a bulldog
on **** like this. F |
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Fred Flintstein wrote:
I just sent Novitsky an email. He's a bulldog on **** like this. But will he be able to score another European holiday out of it ? |
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On Feb 24, 9:59*pm, --D-y wrote:
I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y Hey D-y it was a kick to the stomach since all prior experience including with CAS was that no matter how badly they screwed the pooch in following procedures they'd get their result. Even when CAS cited all the violations and recognized them. Life's a bitch when EVERYONE has to play by the established rules, aint it? Let's be real MLB's testing is a joke. Any cyclist would test totally clean, every time. OK so some moron would get nailed but that's just Darwin. Bill C |
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On Feb 28, 3:07*pm, tritonrider wrote:
On Feb 24, 9:59*pm, --D-y wrote: I loved the wailing and gnashing of teeth. "Kick to the stomach"? Give me a break on the holier-than-thou rhetoric. --D-y Hey D-y it was a kick to the stomach since all prior experience including with CAS was that no matter how badly they screwed the pooch in following procedures they'd get their result. Even when CAS cited all the violations and recognized them. *Life's a bitch when EVERYONE has to play by the established rules, aint it? *Let's be real MLB's testing is a joke. Any cyclist would test totally clean, every time. OK so some moron would get nailed but that's just Darwin. Dang, and here we go, another article in the local paper yesterday IRT bad drug tests by a local crime lab. In one, "a vegetable substance containing THC but not marijuana" was later correctly identified as "marijuana". That means a different penalty for the person caught with it. Another, some coke disappeared, and the "evidence sample" was found to be damp, apparently after a year of storage. The third, only half of a large quantity of Ecstasy tablets, by weight, was submitted (on request) for inter-agency testing, and it was found that of the pills rendered, all had been cut in half. It would be redundant of me to post selections of findings from such wwweb searches I've posted in the past, such as "Houston Crime Lab Scandal". Or, for that matter: searching for such subjects as "DNA exoneration of convicted murderers and rapists". We have (another) good one going on lately: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/...awyers-aim-to- prove-misconduct-1903013.html (excuse me but I think worth a look): (quoting from the Statesman link, above): While Michael Morton begins rebuilding a life after almost 25 years in prison, his lawyers are moving forward on phase two of their quest for justice: looking into the investigators and prosecutors whose efforts sent him to prison for a murder he did not commit. Angered by revelations of hidden evidence and apparently ignored leads that could have saved Morton from a wrongful conviction, defense lawyers have promised to conduct a vigorous investigation in the coming weeks. Details of how that investigation will proceed remain hidden behind sealed court records, but presumably Morton's lawyers will seek to force onetime District Attorney Ken Anderson, now a district judge, and other former Williamson County officials to testify under oath in depositions. Any new information unearthed would be added to allegations of official misconduct that are pending at the state's highest criminal court. "Mr. Morton is the victim of a crime; he lost his wife," defense lawyer Barry Scheck said, arguing that a rush to judgment by prosecutors and investigators victimized Morton yet again, depriving him of 25 years of freedom and the chance to raise his son. Court documents prepared by Morton's legal team focused on four allegations of wrongdoing, including the withholding of a possible eyewitness account of Christine Morton's murder and the apparent failure to fully investigate the cashing of a $20 check, made out to Christine, nine days after her death. (end quote) Well, there's a lot more, of course. Add to the mix this bothersome Cameron Todd Willingham case. Which, even if Willingham did intentionally set a fire that did kill his three children, it didn't happen the way the official investigation said it did, from my reading. Object of this post being: Hope and pray you are never caught up in the net in the first place, because the Sainted Knights of the Prosecution are likely not playing fair. "We knew they were doping". --D-y |
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