ANOTHER Mountain Biker Death

On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker
wrote:

On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.

Mike,

Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
when Jim Fixx died?

No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
know that there IS any net benefit.

What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:32:05 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:48:48 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:

You poor, sick *******.

Obviously, I care more about mountain bikers' safety than they
themselves do! YOU are the sick one.

His sport is not what killed him ignorant asshole. Indeed, he had an
unnamed
medical condition that caused his health problem which tok his life,

Fabricating evidence that you don't have again? You have ZERO
information. In fact, LESS than zero.


Fabricating? Please cite ANY evidence you have that says he died as a direct
result of riding his bike.

There is no discussion in the article YOU posted that indicates he died
riding his bike. The article only talks about his love of bicycle riding,
and his friends and family in the bicycle community will miss him.

You poor, sick *******.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker
wrote:

On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.

Mike,

Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
when Jim Fixx died?

No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
know that there IS any net benefit.




You are more full of **** than a Christmas turkey! There are wide ranging
benefits of all kinds of exercise, just ask anybody with a medical degree --
wait, YOU have one of those.

Please do not put Dr. Michael J. Vandeman next to any part of your body you
are fond of.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:04:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:13:45 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:53 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

ray ??? wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
snip!
Whoopee. 1.2 million people per annum are killed by cars and this is the
best you can come up with? According to my calculator (unless I've
slipped a decimal point) that's around 33,000 people A DAY.
Note that Mike Janelle's death had nothing to do with off-road bicycle
racing, and was in all likelihood the result of a genetic heart defect.
FABRICATING information again, Tom? You have absolutely no evidence,
just your own speculation.
Did I present it as fact or hypothesis? I see Mr. Vandeman is having
problems with English reading comprehension.

WHATEVER happens to him obviously has A LOT
to do with his profession, since he spends so much time at it. DUH! If
mountain biking improves health, on average, this shouldn't happen.
When did Mr. Vandeman become a cardiologist? Note that Mr. Vandeman is
doing exactly what he falsely accused me of - presenting speculation as
fact.

Yawn.

Loss of words when someone points out your errors, eh Mikey?

No, loss of interest, when someone says absolutely NOTHING.
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:32:05 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:48:48 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:

You poor, sick *******.

Obviously, I care more about mountain bikers' safety than they
themselves do! YOU are the sick one.

His sport is not what killed him ignorant asshole. Indeed, he had an
unnamed
medical condition that caused his health problem which tok his life,

Fabricating evidence that you don't have again? You have ZERO
information. In fact, LESS than zero.


Fabricating? Please cite ANY evidence you have that says he died as a direct
result of riding his bike.

I never said that, liar. Learn to READ, then come back.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:53:10 -0800 (PST), Olebiker
wrote:

On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker
wrote:

On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.

Mike,

Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
when Jim Fixx died?

No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
know that there IS any net benefit.

What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?

They claim that there is a net health benefit from mountain biking. No
evidence whatsoever.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:37:01 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:32:05 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
m...
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:48:48 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:

You poor, sick *******.

Obviously, I care more about mountain bikers' safety than they
themselves do! YOU are the sick one.

His sport is not what killed him ignorant asshole. Indeed, he had an
unnamed
medical condition that caused his health problem which tok his life,

Fabricating evidence that you don't have again? You have ZERO
information. In fact, LESS than zero.


Fabricating? Please cite ANY evidence you have that says he died as a
direct
result of riding his bike.

I never said that, liar. Learn to READ, then come back.


When I was a kid, society committed people like you to mental institutions
solely because a person could not keep up with his own discussion. Lucky for
you, society does not commit people to mental hospitals anymore.

Your entire premise is that bike riding has adverse health affects. My
premise is that the adverse condition(s) that resulted in a heart attack has
nothing at all to do with riding a bike.






--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Nov 30, 7:53 am, Olebiker wrote:
On Nov 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:53:31 -0800 (PST), Olebiker
wrote:

On Nov 28, 1:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.

Mike,

Did you have the same response about the health benefits of running
when Jim Fixx died?

No, I've never claimed any health benefits from running, and I don't
know that there IS any net benefit.

What health benefits do you say were claimed by mountain bikers?

Mike,
Why didn't you respond to my question? What health benefits claims
are you referring to?

Jeff Strickland wrote:


When I was a kid, society committed people like you to mental
institutions solely because a person could not keep up with his own
discussion. Lucky for you, society does not commit people to mental
hospitals anymore.



Jeff, you seem to have missed the fact that they let him 'out'!
Seriously. That is when they fixed him also from what I have read....

Mike

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:04:58 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:13:45 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:53 -0600, Tom Sherman
wrote:

ray ??? wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
\Apparently, the health benefits of mountain biking are exaggerated.
snip!
Whoopee. 1.2 million people per annum are killed by cars and this is the
best you can come up with? According to my calculator (unless I've
slipped a decimal point) that's around 33,000 people A DAY.
Note that Mike Janelle's death had nothing to do with off-road bicycle
racing, and was in all likelihood the result of a genetic heart defect.
FABRICATING information again, Tom? You have absolutely no evidence,
just your own speculation.
Did I present it as fact or hypothesis? I see Mr. Vandeman is having
problems with English reading comprehension.

WHATEVER happens to him obviously has A LOT
to do with his profession, since he spends so much time at it. DUH! If
mountain biking improves health, on average, this shouldn't happen.
When did Mr. Vandeman become a cardiologist? Note that Mr. Vandeman is
doing exactly what he falsely accused me of - presenting speculation as
fact.
Yawn.
Loss of words when someone points out your errors, eh Mikey?

No, loss of interest, when someone says absolutely NOTHING.

That is why I hardly ever read any of Mikey V's posts.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Localized intense suction such as tornadoes is created when temperature
differences are high enough between meeting air masses, and can impart
excessive energy onto a cyclist." - Randy Schlitter