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I must say, the last time I was in London, I noticed that the air quality
was terrible. I had to blow black stuff out of my nose and that was just from walking around, let alone if I was riding a bicycle. It was a very nice city, but I hope they did something about the air quality. Curt "Jeremy Parker" wrote in message ... Greetings from London, It's along time since I've been to Hamburg. I wasn't impressed with their idea of compelling cyclists to ride on narrow urban sidewalks, even though they did paint a white line down the middle of the sidewalk, and call that a "bike lane" London is pretty good, although mine is a minority opinion. We are still trying to get a Tour de France stage here. The tour of Britain is back, meanwhile. The final stage will be a criterium in Westminster, Sept 5th. Send off for our free bike maps - London is big enough that it takes 19 of them to cover all london. Central London is map 10. For more info' look at the Transport for London web site www.tfl.org.uk There are lots of ways to get round London, so cycling has competition We got five ring roads from the planner kings (or at least a partial try) and Jubilee and Victoria in their halls of stone no highwalks for pedestrians, still doomed to die no Orbrail yet for railways, though once they ruled the throne. But there's one mode that rules them all although they won't admit it for fast fun trips around our town get a bike - you won't regret it. Jeremy Parker London UK "Red Cloud" wrote in message om... 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:57:58 GMT, maxo wrote:
However there are too many to mention, my hometown of Gothenburg, Sweden is especially nice--they have seperate bike lane and lights in the city! Makes you feel like just another vehicle. I ride on the road in Washington, DC and feel just like a vehicle, too. I share the traffic lights with the cars and the trucks - no big deal... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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maxo wrote:
... my hometown of Gothenburg, Sweden is especially nice--they have seperate bike lane and lights in the city! Makes you feel like just another vehicle. Hmmm. Being segregated in a bike lane wouldn't make me feel "just like another vehicle." I prefer to use the same facilities the other vehicles use. -- --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu] |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:02:57 -0400, Curtis L. Russell wrote:
I ride on the road in Washington, DC and feel just like a vehicle, too. I share the traffic lights with the cars and the trucks - no big deal... the issue of lanes vs. no lanes can also be discussed to death it is interesting though--I don't think either is clearly superior. It doesn't really matter to me because I've ridden so many miles in so many cities that nothing really surprises or disturbs me... In Gothenburg (and Amsterdam for that matter), the lanes work because there are quite a few cyclists and the lanes are integrated very well with the motorised traffic, including their own stoplights. American bike lanes are usually just a stripe painted on the side of the road, that ends before intersections quite often. I find this quite silly seeing as the really dangerous part of biking with autos is the jockying at stoplights. A lot of cyclists stay far to the right even at lights and become for many motorists--invisible targets. I'm of the school that it's safest to occupy the lane when you can keep up with traffic--and that includes intersections. Behaving like a car is the best way to get treated like one--that's old news to most folks posting here of course Unfortunately, a lot of recreational cyclists are intimidated by doing this, and often don't know it's within their rights to ride like this, motorists especially get annoyed in cities like where I'm living ATM, Nashville--where most cyclists ride illegally on the sidewalks or on the left side of the road. (!) We do have some new bike lanes which I find unnecessary for my personal habits--but I think are good "training wheels" for a lot of the newcomers to bicycling around here. The lanes have directional arrows (I know I know ) and encourage riding on the street and with the flow of traffic--habits that folks can apply to non-striped roads. When I was in Chicago, I'd often avoid the bike paths if I wanted to get somewhere fast and use the regular streets, the paths being clogged by geniuses on bikes and blades who think it's a good idea to listen to headphones at full volume and cluelessly block traffic. LOL |
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"maxo" wrote in message
news My favourite bike city in the states is Chicago! Lots of everyday normal folks ride--not just the crunchy granola types. There are plenty of bike lanes, and motorists--as aggressive as they usually are in the big city, seem to tolerate cyclists. The city also has installed bike racks, real solid brilliant ones, almost everywhere! I find that more important than the bike lines almost. Chicago's also flat--so you can ride whatever piece of junk you have laying around and not worry too much about theft. Thanks for the kind words on my home city. I was surprised to see Paris on the original troll's list. I haven't biked when I've visited there, but there didn't seem to be a particularly high amount of bicycling and the traffic didn't seem particularly bicycle-friendly. Outside Paris (and I don't mean the suburbs) there seemed to be both more biking and a more bike-friendly atmosphere. This impression is based on relatively brief visits, so it may not be accurate. -- --- Mike Kruger Blog: http://journals.aol.com/mikekr/ZbicyclistsZlog/ |
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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message ...
Red Cloud wrote: 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, I doubt it. Here in Europe we usually consider Holland as the best example of how to plan and build for bicycle commuters. I forgot Holland!!! I even believe that HOlland could be the best biker nation on earth. |
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"cheg" wrote in message news:6Wjvc.41027$Ly.26887@attbi_s01...
"Red Cloud" wrote in message om... 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities These europeans cities could be the best place for biker riders, and most Americna city like LA, NY, Pheoneix, Seattle are the worst place for biker. The reason is that in America most folks do not ride a bike. As matter of fact, probably less than 1% of American population are relying bike as a primary transportation. In europe, I bet that number of population relying on bike as the primary transportatoin are quite high. I've never rode a bike in real bike city. Someday I will. I bet that it's not going to be same feeling to ride a bike among a hugh bike populations verse a sole rider in big street in US. I'd take Seattle over Rome any day for bike commuting. Seattle does not have the plague of moped riders talking on cel phones filling every gap in the car traffic. Do you see a lots bikers in Seattle? |
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"Per Elmsäter" wrote in message
[...] I doubt it. Here in Europe we usually consider Holland as the best example of how to plan and build for bicycle commuters. How much of it is actually planned? I lived in Almere and Amsterdam. I thought the bike paths (and roads generally) in Almere were designed by people on acid. And Amsterdam wasn't planned, it's old and organic (not that that's a bad thing). -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"David L. Johnson" wrote in message .. .
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote: 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that, since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US has to offer? Conversely, if you try riding in New York, or (so I am told) Seattle, or even Philadelphia, you might find that they can be exceptional places to ride. Easy to assume European cities are more friendly to bikers than any American cities. Nobody can't deny fact. Seattle or NY or Phil can't be call as the biker city cuz their residents do not depend on bike much unlike where you see a signficant portion of Europeans are depending on bike. |
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"S o r n i" wrote in message .. .
David L. Johnson wrote: On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:49:01 -0700, Red Cloud wrote: 1. Hamburg 2. Rome 3. London 4. paris 5. Other European big and small cities Have you tried to ride in these cities, or are you just assuming that, since they are in Europe, they must be better than anything the US has to offer? I hate it when I click on an unread post and then actually consider its content, BEFORE noting the author. Bill "Red Cloud Troll" S. Just hate yourself moron. |
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