Woman jailed over cyclist's death

RideToEat wrote in news:3f2632f2$3_3
@news.chariot.net.au:

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Yep, that's what I'm saying

I disagree vehemently, the outcome is the important issue, not how it was
achieved.

(and I think the law says it matters too).

Indeed, but then as has been shown on numerous occasions, the laws an ass


But this woman didn't go on a killing spree.

Sure she did, check the article, a person dies, if she had killed three,
would that be a spree and we throw away the key ? or simpily stupidity ?

She hadn't had enough
sleep, and was stupid for getting in her car.

Agreed, but we don't punish people for stupidity, or the Goals would be
full We punish them for their actions...

She's going away for at
least two and a half years.

Indeed, take a life get 2 1/2 years.. seems wholly inadequate to me,
especially in an instance like this... and no I don't advocate an eye for
an eye but I would have thought at minimum a decade and then garnish
her wage for another decade at say 20% for recompense to the relatives.

Sorry for having some objectivity.

IMO you don't have any objectivity but I respect your opinion, just
disgaree with it vehemetly There is no objectivity, you can't take it
back, it's final, it's not like stealing a car or a pushbike, it's a
life, Persoanly I could suffer the lost of anything, excpet my life.....

As an aside, the US Government has a bill before congress where this sort
of Goal time would be given to people downloading MP3's, now lets put
THAT in perspective.

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Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

"Trevor S" wrote

I disagree vehemently, the outcome is the important issue, not how
it was
achieved.

Suppose you were trimming your hedge and you carelessly let a branch
fall on the footpath, someone walking past just at that moment trips
on it, does a spectacular cartwheel and lands flat on his back unhurt.
A passing bus driver witnesses this and his attention is distracted
for a secvond, bus runs into a tree and 20 people die.

Do you expect to be hung for the outcome? Should the bus driver be
hung for the outcome? Should the pedestrian be hung for the outcome
because he wasn't looking where he was going? Shall we hang them all?
I suspect the driver will be punished for your carelessness and that
you will receive no blame.

As an aside, the US Government has a bill before congress where this
sort
of Goal time would be given to people downloading MP3's, now lets
put
THAT in perspective.

Nobody does that unintentionally. It is a deliberate act of theft.

Theo

"Trevor S" wrote

I disagree vehemently, the outcome is the important issue, not how
it was
achieved.

Suppose you were trimming your hedge and you carelessly let a branch
fall on the footpath, someone walking past just at that moment trips
on it, does a spectacular cartwheel and lands flat on his back unhurt.
A passing bus driver witnesses this and his attention is distracted
for a secvond, bus runs into a tree and 20 people die.

Do you expect to be hung for the outcome? Should the bus driver be
hung for the outcome? Should the pedestrian be hung for the outcome
because he wasn't looking where he was going? Shall we hang them all?
I suspect the driver will be punished for your carelessness and that
you will receive no blame.

As an aside, the US Government has a bill before congress where this
sort
of Goal time would be given to people downloading MP3's, now lets
put
THAT in perspective.

Nobody does that unintentionally. It is a deliberate act of theft.

Theo

The point that Theo seems to miss is that jail sentences are not just to
punish people who commit crimes, but also to act as a deterrent to
people who may follow the same path.
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

- LB

The point that Theo seems to miss is that jail sentences are not just to
punish people who commit crimes, but also to act as a deterrent to
people who may follow the same path.
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

- LB

"Luther Blissett" wrote in
message ...
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

Actually the drugs didn't play a part in the actual crash. It was the lack
of sleep, apparently. If anything, she should have had more gear.. maybe
she wouldn't have fallen asleep at the wheel? 24 hours without sleep was
found to be equivalent to a 0.1 BAC IIRC. How many people out there
drugs or no drugs are too tired to drive safely? A bloody lot I imagine!

What was she actually charged with and why was it not a manslaughter
charge?

hippy

"Luther Blissett" wrote in
message ...
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

Actually the drugs didn't play a part in the actual crash. It was the lack
of sleep, apparently. If anything, she should have had more gear.. maybe
she wouldn't have fallen asleep at the wheel? 24 hours without sleep was
found to be equivalent to a 0.1 BAC IIRC. How many people out there
drugs or no drugs are too tired to drive safely? A bloody lot I imagine!

What was she actually charged with and why was it not a manslaughter
charge?

hippy

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:38:54 +1000, Luther Blissett
wrote:

The point that Theo seems to miss is that jail sentences are not just to
punish people who commit crimes, but also to act as a deterrent to
people who may follow the same path.
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

You don't think that losing 2 1/2 years of freedom isn't a big hunk out
of someone's life? I tell you, the prospect of even spending 12 months
in jail acts as a pretty good incentive for me to stay OUT of it.


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Cheers

PeterC

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:38:54 +1000, Luther Blissett
wrote:

The point that Theo seems to miss is that jail sentences are not just to
punish people who commit crimes, but also to act as a deterrent to
people who may follow the same path.
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

You don't think that losing 2 1/2 years of freedom isn't a big hunk out
of someone's life? I tell you, the prospect of even spending 12 months
in jail acts as a pretty good incentive for me to stay OUT of it.


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Cheers

PeterC

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[and there's nothing you can do about it at all]

"Peter Cremasco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:38:54 +1000, Luther Blissett
wrote:

The point that Theo seems to miss is that jail sentences are not just to
punish people who commit crimes, but also to act as a deterrent to
people who may follow the same path.
If that lady had recevied 10 years, a lot more people would think twice
about driving under the influence of drugs. And remember .. she chose to
be drug-****ed, the cyclist didn't chose to be car-****ed.

You don't think that losing 2 1/2 years of freedom isn't a big hunk out
of someone's life? I tell you, the prospect of even spending 12 months
in jail acts as a pretty good incentive for me to stay OUT of it.

HEAR HEAR!!
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Cheers

PeterC

[Rushing headlong: out of control - and there ain't no stopping]
[and there's nothing you can do about it at all]