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Which of these 2 types of Kryptonite locks are better?
Look at the warrantee. Kryptonite offers a bike replacement warrantee on
almost all their locks (They even have a monster that's warranted in New York now!). Does the lock from Wallie-World offer it? "Case hardening" means that the surface material has been hardened. The metal underneath this hardened surface is just plain steel. No lock, I don't care how well engineered or hard it may be will stop the determined thief. All you can do is hope what you choose will cause the greatest number of them to look for easier game. May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": http://www.geocities.com/czcorner |
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"Chris Zacho "The Wheelman"" wrote in message ...
Look at the warrantee. Kryptonite offers a bike replacement warrantee on almost all their locks (They even have a monster that's warranted in New York now!). Does the lock from Wallie-World offer it? "Case hardening" means that the surface material has been hardened. The metal underneath this hardened surface is just plain steel. Yes, but as I said, I do not know if the lock is "case hardened", it only says "hardened steel", and I don't know if there's a difference or not. No lock, I don't care how well engineered or hard it may be will stop the determined thief. All you can do is hope what you choose will cause the greatest number of them to look for easier game. Okay, don't care about Kryptonite's warranty, it's all but bogus anyway, and I already know that "no lock will stop the determined thief". All I'm looking for here is valid information regarding WHICH LOCK of these two locks is harder to bust (and WHY). |
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Which of these 2 types of Kryptonite locks are better?
KRYPTONITE XTRA TOUGH CHAIN LOCK:
There is a lifetime warranty on the product. If there is no "theft-resistance" warranty (which I do not care about), it may just be to allow the product to be sold at a lower price. Isn't the way the product is made the indicator of quality, rather than the warranty? It is 4 or 5mm thick hardened steel links, sealed by weld joint. I read that hardened steel chain with an integrated lock (which this is), is more secure than a U-lock. The article didn't specity that it should be "case hardened" and not "through hardened" (whatever that is). The idea is that the hardened steel is the same hardness as the tools used to cut it (bolt cutters, hacksaws, drills etc). The integrated lock can not be cut by bolt cutters. It is a heavy solid steel shackle covered by ABS plastic. It uses a very thick pin that fits into a barrel, just like the u-lock design (or the Cobra Links locks for that matter). Judging by the key and bearing, the lock itself appears to be good quality. The chain is not as thick or boron-coated (or what have you) as the New York series chain locks from Kryptonite, but at just over 1kg (2lbs+) for a 3' lock, this one is as heavy as I want to carry around. Besides which, the more expensive bike locks aren't always an indicator of better security. The Krypto "Xtra Tough Hardened Chain" lock is not a "Wal Mart Krypto" made by Kryptonite especially for Wal-Mart; I've seen it at other retailers on-line, some specializing in bike locks. Althought I -don't- see it on Kryptonite's site. Nor is it an invitation to theives, that says "You won't have much trouble with me!". It is heavy and strong enough to be a lethal weapon, doubling as a bike lock. MING-TAY U LOCK: The U-lock I'm considering against the Kryptonite chain lock a Ming-Tay hardened steel u-lock. It is completely covered in ABS plastic. The keyhole is in the center (facing downward) and the lock does NOT protrude beyond the u-bar, so it can not be broken by a pipe; a common way of breaking into u-locks. The u-bar fits snugly into the main shaft, and almost none of the metal shows when it is pulled on, making it difficult to insert liquid nitrogen, butane or what have you. I've done the research and THESE TWO ARE THE ONLY TWO LOCKS I AM CONSIDERING. I realize they're both good locks, I just want to pick the BETTER one, the one that is more impervious to attack. For what its worth, it needs to resist Montreal-level theives. They may not be as determined as NY-level theives, but what they lack in determination they make up for in number. If anyone can tell me which of these two might be the more secure lock and why, please let me know. "Werehatrack" wrote in message ... On 15 Aug 2003 23:41:12 -0700, (Joe Samangitak) may have said: "Xtra Tough Locking Chain" (n.b. This product was seen at Wal-Mart, but is NOT on Kryptonite's website, and is not part of the New York series, and is not as heavy duty as that series): This is a hardened steel chain (can someone tell me if it is the same as what they call "case hardened" steel?). Size: 3' x 5.5mm (four-sided links are 4-4.5 mm thick, and are narrow to prevent leverage attacks). Has integrated key lock (similar to the cable locks, plastic over key barrel, but key barrel itself is solid metal). Has a protective covering that looks like a net. I looked at one of these this morning while cruising thru WallyWorld to grab some other stuff. I was *not* impressed. Hardened, maybe, but there was a complete lack of other details about the exact Rockwell, whether it's case or through hardened, etc. I'd say that this is a typical example of Wal-Mart going to a well-known supplier and getting them to put their name on a lesser-quality line of products just for the Wal-Mart stores. The inducements that are often dangled in front of such suppliers can be hard for a trademark owner to resist, even though in the long run it often provs that they ought to have declined the opportunity. "KryptoLock": This is your basic model good ol' U-Lock by Kryptonite. If it's the Wal-Mart u-lock that bears the Kryptonite label, I think I'd take the lack of the theft-resistance warranty on the package as being indicative of the actual quality of the unit. |
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MING-TAY U LOCK:
The U-lock I'm considering against the Kryptonite chain lock a Ming-Tay hardened steel u-lock. ...I've done the research and THESE TWO ARE THE ONLY TWO LOCKS I AM CONSIDERING. I realize they're both good locks, I just want to pick the BETTER one, the one that is more impervious to attack. For what its worth, it needs to resist Montreal-level theives. They may not be as determined as NY-level theives, but what they lack in determination they make up for in number. If anyone can tell me which of these two might be the more secure lock and why, please let me know. Whatever lock you buy, remember that many components are easily stolen even if the rest of the bike remains. I've had a derailler stolen while my bike was parked in a busy area on the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus (USA). The chain and derailler cable were cut and then a 6mm allen wrench was all that it took to remove the derailler. Also, vandalism, in the form of bashing wheels, forks, and frames, is frequent in this area. In part for these reasons when I ride in town I now ride old 3 speed bikes that are of little resale value. Note too that U locks can be broken by inserting a small hydraulic jack in the space between the removable bar and bottom of the U. I had one Kryptonite lock fail under normal use when the small part that turns to cover the boss on the end of the U broke off while I was locking my bike. The bike shop replaced the lock free of charge but that failure didn't inspire confidence. Sheldon Brown has some helpful thoughts on locking bikes at http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html Bill Putnam |
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