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Where the hell were these people the rest of the year?? goes (OT)
I apologize. I should have said "people resembling those most often
found residing south of the USA". Bill, despite the fact that you see the TDF crumbling around you (due to the actions of these asshole dopers), you refuse to feel anything but empathy for their constitutional due process (the USA's constitution, I might add, not France's). By the time you feel anything relevant to the actual situation, there will be no more tour, and there will be no more professional cycling. Thank god for hippies like you. On Jul 26, 4:16 am, Bill C wrote: On Jul 25, 6:50 pm, kaiser wrote: I saw more mexicans doing the looting. You like to put words in people's mouths. In drawing class, the teacher will often say: "Draw what you see, not what you think it's supposed to look like" You are grouping people based on the actions of a few, or small percentage nad using that as an excuse to strip their rights and protections, and create negative stereotypes. Doesn't matter who the hell you're doing it to, or what group, it's wrong. Protection from the law and government is as important as protection by the law and government. That should apply to cycling too but it doesn't. The governing types repeatedly fail to follow their own laws, and do it with impunity, and cheering from the witch hunt crowd. How do yuou feel about massive interment camps for Muslims in the US? The last polling showed that most object to suicide bombings against civilians here in the US, but the percentage that thought they should be done, while small, amounted to over 400,000 people in real numbers. This is obviously a threat. Therefore all Muslims in the US should be rounded up, right? Bill C Since it's still July that's as far as I'm going OT. Needed that as a paralell to cyclists being screwed over. |
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Where the hell were these people the rest of the year?? goes (OT)
On Jul 26, 4:16 am, Bill C wrote:
You are grouping people based on the actions of a few ... and using that as an excuse to strip their rights and protections,.... Needed that as a paralell to cyclists being screwed over. It isn't a parallel. Bike racing is not a "right." The first reason is that it is a matter of consent and contract. Living under a guvmint regime is not a matter of consent or contract. Even most things people call rights are not rights at all, but powers. There is much confusion on the matter, thanks mostly to muddleheaded morons in the legal profession, and "wise" legislators. A right is a *negative* -- a freedom *from*. It is very narrow. A "power" is an ability *to* do. So there is the "freedom from" and "power to" distinction. An immunity is a right as it is a freedom *from* someone interfering -- it imposes no necessary action upon others. A privelege (or license) is a power and includes the essential powered activity of interfering with the actions others. Copy"right" is a power, not a right, as interferes with the actions of others. It is a privelege/license. Other examples: "a right to eat" or a "right to work" are not rights at all, but powers, since they always impose *positive* (meaning acts of power) behavior upon others. I am free "to" fly like a bird. It is my right of independence that no one can stop me. Whether I can actually do it or not depends upon my personal *power*. Flying, speaking, eating, working, are all powers, something someone can do. (Well maybe not flying, except if you know The Yaqui Way of Knowledge.) The only way I know to say the negative as a "to" is this: You have a right to an *independent* life. Which means that no one can interfere with you -- a negative -- and on the flip side, you cannot impose duty upon others to keep you alive, as they have the same right of independence. If everyone has an independent life, then the *negative* (the inherent restraint involved in the social rule of free conduct) means that no one is unjustly interfered with. Ironically then, the entire _social_ concept of liberty/freedom/right is effectively a matter of restraint rather than the cartoon version of freedom which is represented as "I can do whatever I want." That isn't what it means, as we are speaking in a social context. Besides, "doing" is a matter of power anyway. |
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Where the hell were these people the rest of the year??
Donald Munro wrote:
kaiser wrote: Not one set of balls among them. William Asher wrote: That would be the steroids. Perhaps its a veiled LANCE reference. Good point. I keep forgetting a lot of people are still obsessing over Lance. -- Bill Asher |
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Where the hell were these people the rest of the year?? goes (OT)
On Jul 26, 4:49 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
On Jul 26, 4:16 am, Bill C wrote: You are grouping people based on the actions of a few ... and using that as an excuse to strip their rights and protections,.... Needed that as a paralell to cyclists being screwed over. It isn't a parallel. Bike racing is not a "right." The first reason is that it is a matter of consent and contract. Living under a guvmint regime is not a matter of consent or contract. Even most things people call rights are not rights at all, but powers. There is much confusion on the matter, thanks mostly to muddleheaded morons in the legal profession, and "wise" legislators. Greg I'm talking about the "rights and protections" guaranteed to them by their contracts and the UCI rules which are being violated by just about everyone it seems. As you have pointed out so mant times, it's damned near impossible to hold the people making the rules responsible for breaking them. Especially when they start using secrecy as a weapon as they have with the testing. Bill C |
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