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"Bicycles Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
From: [a Marin County resident]
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. I am an equestrian and hiker. I am sorry to tell you that, by allowing mt.bikes on inappropriate trails in the first place, you let the camel's nose into the tent and the rest of it is half-way in. Despite the written "rules" of IMBA for mt.bikers, we have seen to our dismay that there are NO controls on bicycles out in the preserves, parks, or other public lands. Speed limits? Don't make me laugh! Signs? Regularly stolen or defaced. After almost being skidded into, I had the mt.biker tell me he was going too fast to read the signs (3 of them!) saying "no bicycles." Alternate days usage, or "bikes uphill only" rules?? Forget that -- you need 24x7 enforcement to make it work. Education? Ha! We had one prominent mt.biker, Michael More, recently caught for the SECOND time, building illegal bike trail on public land -- this time, in China Camp State Park; the first time, federal (GGNRA) land. If mt.bikes are allowed, you are heading for accidents and perhaps a fatality on these steep, narrow trails -- as has happened elsewhere in California and as the mt.bikers desperately want people to ignore and forget about. When mt.bikers are on narrow trails, foot traffic and equestrians go elsewhere -- they are displaced. Bicycles should not be allowed on footpaths, also called singletrack trails, because of the overwhelming safety hazards they present to other users -- the elderly, the hard-of-hearing, young families, equestrians. We can share wide (8 ft. and wider) trails where there is room to jump aside and where sight-lines are generally longer. Note that the bike rider is not disenfrancised -- s/he can always hike these footpaths. It's only the vehicle that is restricted. What can be done for those who still want to shred the trails in pursuit of their personal best, is to help them locate private property where they can sign a lease agreement that will allow them to build whatever hazards, jumps, etc., they want -- and disregard the damage to the environment. I urge you to immediately ban mountain bicycle use of your steep footpaths. Sincerely, [a Marin County resident] -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 16, 11:35*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. *I am an equestrian and hiker. * Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 17, 9:20*am, Siskuwihane wrote:
Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? I find the ankle twisting hoof prints to be more of a pain than the droppings, myself. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
wrote: On Jul 16, 11:35*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. *I am an equestrian and hiker. * Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 17, 10:28*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane wrote: On Jul 16, 11:35*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. *I am an equestrian and hiker. * Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness. Wrong. NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 17, 8:07*am, Siskuwihane wrote:
NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. *A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by *people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure.- Epithets aside, I'm with you - but I don't like bikes on footpaths either. Bruce Jensen |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Jul 17, 1:07*pm, Bruce Jensen wrote:
On Jul 17, 8:07*am, Siskuwihane wrote: NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. *A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by *people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure.- Epithets aside, I'm with you - but I don't like bikes on footpaths either. I do not like bikes on them either, especially when I am on a "hiking only" trail. I am perfectly willing to let them have their own trails or share the trail on "multi-use" paths, in which case, I have a choice to be there and share or go somewhere else. FWIW, I will be purchasing a mountain-bike (as soon as my 'bent is sold) in the future. NOTHING Michael J. Vandeman has written will dissuade that descision, in fact, he has had the opposite affect on me due to his extreme narrow views and inabilty to have a rational debate. I would tend to think he has that affect on more people than he realizes. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
Siskuwihane wrote:
... FWIW, I will be purchasing a mountain-bike (as soon as my 'bent is sold) in the future. There is no rule against have both a 'bent and an ATB, you know. NOTHING Michael J. Vandeman has written will dissuade that descision, in fact, he has had the opposite affect on me due to his extreme narrow views and inabilty to have a rational debate. I would tend to think he has that affect on more people than he realizes. Indeed; every time Mikey V. posts, I feel like promoting riding bicycles off road. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia "People who had no mercy will find none." - Anon. |
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"Horses Should Not be Allowed on Footpaths"
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
wrote: On Jul 17, 10:28*am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:20:35 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane wrote: On Jul 16, 11:35*pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: From: [a Marin County resident] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:54 -0700 Subject: Mt.bikes on trails I have lived in Marin County for 50 years, seeing firsthand the rise of, and impact from, mountain bicycling. *I am an equestrian and hiker. * Animals should not be used as vehicles, especially when people can always WALK! I have yet to meet ANYONE who cleans up after their horse deficates in the middle of a path or trail. Why are people so SELFISH, making an animal carry them? It's better than using motor vehicles or mountain bikes. For people with disabilities, it may be their only access to wilderness. Wrong. NO animal should be used as a vehicle for a human, a point you seem to be avoiding, that's not surprising considering your documented habit of avoiding the TRUTH. A horse doesn't ask to carry around a human, dummy. Wildlife doesn't want what is "better" for selfish people, There isn't much that's more selfish than working in the airline industry. Or denying people with disabilities the right to visit the wilderness they pay for. they want what's BEST for them and that means not having their lives interupted or habitat destroyed by people who have to bring huge animals into their environment for their own pleasure. Horses are domesticated animals, not wildlife. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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