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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:31:12 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended, unintended, or simply not understood. The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on industries that depended on those workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable harvesting). Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive. The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something? I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may be practically free now. I can't see Brooks or even Ideale saddles dropping in price. The Brooks I had was NOT comfortable but it may have been a touring version which I'm told doesn't work well with sports riding. |
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On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended, unintended, or simply not understood. The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on industries that depended on those workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable harvesting). Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive. The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something? https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may be practically free now. The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America Great ugely. Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can you believe nobody made saddles before we did with the penguins, amazing, and we are on the point of creating a beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the bootiful saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that? Amazing. |
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary
wrote: On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better? Deacon Mark Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require "breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps, 1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml. On the other hand some people feel that they are exceptionally comfortable for long rides. My own experience is that after riding one for a year or more I switched to a modern "plastic" saddle that fits me just as well and is just as comfortable as the Brooks. And was cheaper and requires essentially no care. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800, Mark Cleary scribed:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...t-halts-sales- of-brooks-bicycle-saddles-made-in-england/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better? This household exclusively rides Brooks saddles. OP wait, unless I find a 'Bell', which is a long gone Australian manufacturer that produced the same stuff/models. |
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On 1/4/2021 3:48 PM, Tosspot wrote:
On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended, unintended, or simply not understood. The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on industries that depended on those workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable harvesting). Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive. The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something? https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may be practically free now. The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America Great ugely. Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can you believe nobody made saddles before we did with the penguins, amazing, and we are on the point of creating a beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the bootiful saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that? Amazing. Uh, USA does produce quality leather saddles: https://selleanatomica.com/ This is not news, been around for 25 or more years. As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather is cheap here because it's a byproduct of the hamburger industry." -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 1/4/2021 4:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary wrote: On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better? Deacon Mark Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require "breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps, 1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml. On the other hand some people feel that they are exceptionally comfortable for long rides. My own experience is that after riding one for a year or more I switched to a modern "plastic" saddle that fits me just as well and is just as comfortable as the Brooks. And was cheaper and requires essentially no care. I use modern (well, 1970s modern) synthetic saddles on my bicycles but a leather saddle is arguably not different in the areas you mention than leather shoes (cost, break-in, avoid wet, shoe polish occasionally). I wear leather shoes, no complaints. Other people prefer asian made synthetic shoes with rubber soles. Whatever, neither is 'good' nor 'bad' in itself. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 05:53:10 +0700, John B. scribed:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary wrote: On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton.../brexit-halts- sales-of-brooks-bicycle-saddles-made-in-england/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better? Deacon Mark Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require "breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps, 1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml. Our Brooks have shower caps and I just use standard leather dressing/ Dubin. |
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:28:53 -0600, AMuzi scribed:
As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather is cheap here because it's a byproduct of the hamburger industry." Hmm, not the case here, despite them advertising made from 'Australian Beef". |
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:53:19 PM UTC, John B. wrote:
My own experience is that after riding [a Brooks saddle] for a year or more I switched to a modern "plastic" saddle ... -- Cheers, John B. Yes, but we know already that you have no class. Andre Jute Observant |
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:28:59 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/4/2021 3:48 PM, Tosspot wrote: On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/ There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended, unintended, or simply not understood. The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on industries that depended on those workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable harvesting). Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive. The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something? https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may be practically free now. The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America Great ugely. Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can you believe nobody made saddles before we did with the penguins, amazing, and we are on the point of creating a beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the bootiful saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that? Amazing. Uh, USA does produce quality leather saddles: https://selleanatomica.com/ This is not news, been around for 25 or more years. As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather is cheap here because it's a byproduct of the hamburger industry." Who knew! I had actually never heard of that company or seen its saddles. We should tariff the sh** out of those imported Brooks saddles! We'll make the UK pay! BTW, that slit looks nasty. I'd be afraid of that. -- Jay Beattie. |
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