I miss Jobst

David Scheidt wrote:
You're deterimined to pay as little as possible,

....for something meeting his requirements.

which means you get ****,

No, he gets something meeting his requirements.

and then you complain that you get ****.

Actually he did not, since he gets something meeting his
requirements.


Buying cheap goods that are total ****ing crap -- whatever their
origin -- encourages manufactures to think that what the market
wants is cheap goods that are total ****ing crap.

That was simply not the question.

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MfG/Best regards
helmut springer panta rhei

On Apr 12, 7:57*pm, kolldata wrote:
New Balance, according to NB, are made in the US and offered online

I wear NB because they're the only sneaker I can get wide enough.
They say "Made in China" on them.

-Brian

On Apr 13, 7:31*am, Brian Rosenthal wrote:

I wear NB because they're the only sneaker I can get wide enough.
They say "Made in China" on them.

I have wide feet, I wear New Balance too,
but the ones I have say Made in USA.
These are NB 6E width sneakers that
I order online from Hitchcock.

Tom Ace

On Apr 13, 2:15*am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 4/12/2011 6:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

On Apr 12, 4:07 pm, *wrote:

The median wage for a man in Texas is $12/hour. *The median wage for a
woman in Texas is $10/hour. *These people don't have to shop at
Hellmart, but they can't afford locally tailor-made clothing or Phil
parts for their custom recumbents.

I sometimes wonder about what people can afford, especially relative
to what my family could afford when I was a kid.

When I was growing up in the '50s, my father had quite a good job by
most standards. *Mom was a homemaker. *They were products of the
depression and chose to have a large flock of kids. *So we had a small
house, especially on a square-feet-per-person basis. *He gardened and
tended six apple trees, and she preserved food. *Most cars were bought
used. *He built the garage, paved the driveway and finished the
basement rec room himself, with family help. *Despite his love of
music, we had no stereo, and (of course) just one TV. *Household toys
were not extravagant, the most prominent being a ping-pong table and a
home-built pool table, plus lots of board games to play with the
kids. *By today's standards, we kids were deprived.

These days, a person in his professional position would absolutely own
a home 2.5 times as large, even though there would be just one or two
kids. *The cars might be Lexi or BMWs, there would be Wii, three
computers, four cell phones, a TV in each room with the main wide-
screen one hooked into a complete home theater system. *But the music
part would be little used because everyone would have an iPod. There
would be more Nintendos than family board games. *Kids would be given
cars at age 16. *And it goes without saying, Mom would work full time,
because "things are so expensive these days."

Been in a grocery store recently?

In brief, it seems to me most middle class families are into buying
stuff, far more than they used to be. *We're enslaved by our
possessions - or by the people who convince us to buy them. *I think,
for most people, more modest living could yield a lot more real,
personal prosperity.

_Your Money Or Your Life_ was an interesting book somewhat related to
this subject.

$10/hour is barely enough for rent in most urban areas, if you want to
stay out of the slums.

Yep. I wouldn't call $10/hr middle class. Neither would the Census
Bureau, I think.

- Frank Krygowski

On Apr 12, 8:06*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:

I AM smug about beer, being that it is on tap and freshness does count
-- and coffee. *You can only dream of our coffee and beer. ...

A few years ago, my daughter and son-in-law moved back to Ohio from
Portland. I was (and am) grateful to have them back, but yes, I was
aware they were leaving a very cool city.

On their very first day, I took them on a little drive to a place I'd
heard about, but never visited: a convenience store out in the
country. We walked in, went past the slurpee machine, the packaged
foods and hardware and clearance DVDs to see several 50-foot-long
shelves full of imported and domestic beers.

We saw beers from dozens of countries and dozens of U.S. states,
including (of course) some fine ones brewed within 50 miles of the
store. There were beers they'd never seen in Portland. The kids were
in awe. They said "We thought we'd never see anything like this
again!"

Later, I found this other place, a much shorter bike ride away.
http://vewinebeer.com/
"Thanks to the great staff at the Vintage Estate Wine and Beer, we
were rated #1 Best Beer Retailer in the World 2010 on ratebeer.com.
"

I don't know how much you can trust such online ratings, but I've
certainly enjoyed visiting both places. And the kids are quite happy
with Ohio.

Portland's certainly cool. But other places have much to offer, too.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:12:03 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

anyone can provide an update/

Dear Andres,

Jobst is at home with full-time care. He suffered a stroke after his
leg surgery. The last I heard, he was still using a wheelchair and
crutches because the leg isn't weight-bearing.

When I called this morning, he answered the phone and said that he's
recovering.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:12:03 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

anyone can provide an update/

Dear Andres,

Jobst is at home with full-time care. He suffered a stroke after his
leg surgery. The last I heard, he was still using a wheelchair and
crutches because the leg isn't weight-bearing.

When I called this morning, he answered the phone and said that he's
recovering.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

David Scheidt wrote:

You're deterimined to pay as little as possible, which means you get
****, and then you complain that you get ****. *Buying cheap goods
that are total ****ing crap -- whatever their origin -- encourages
manufactures to think that what the market wants is cheap goods that
are total ****ing crap. *That's how markets work. *If you don't won't
total ****ing crap, don't buy it. *

I think you misundertand. I don't buy crappy stuff if I can possibly
help it. But just like a sloppy or poorly designed but cheap thing is
crap, it is also a form of extreme crappiness when something does the
job of a good capable $10 item, but costs $159.95.

My Round House overalls cost $32 (regular price, today, in a titanic
size), are made in Oklahoma, and are some of the sturdiest and best
made clothing money can buy. Kerr and Ball mason jars are cheap
(usually less than a buck) and anything you could possibly want in a
jar. These are models of virtue in manufactured goods: They embody
unyielding commitment to quality, minus the greed and vanity that
often accompanies quality-consiousness. My Pakistani T-shirts exhibit
the same kind of virtue, as do Alex rims, Rema patch kits, and a lot
of the unbranded Taiwanese small parts I have around the shop.

If you bring your bike to my shop, you can expect service that
reflects the same values. Lowest feasible cost, uncompromising
quality.

It can be done. But you don't get it by paying top dollar, which
encourages vain foolishness, or by being oblivious to quality and
design, which encourages shoddy goods as you mention.

Chalo

On Apr 13, 10:31*am, Tom Ace wrote:
On Apr 13, 7:31*am, Brian Rosenthal wrote:

I wear NB because they're the only sneaker I can get wide enough.
They say "Made in China" on them.

I have wide feet, I wear New Balance too,
but the ones I have say Made in USA.
These are NB 6E width sneakers that
I order online from Hitchcock.

Tom Ace

Hmmm, that's where I got mine, but I see they no longer carry the
"608". Maybe that model was made in China, and the newer ones are
made here.

Interesting.

-Brian

Chalo writes:

kolldata wrote:

New Balance, according to NB, are made in the US and offered online

Bought a pair for my wife some 8-10 years ago because she was looking
for comfy non-sweatshop shoes. By the time they were worn out, all
the specimens of the same brand that we could find were made in labor-
arbitrage countries. Maybe that's changed now, or maybe there are
legal technicalities or outright fraud that have resulted in a nominal
change. Whatever. If she wants another pair, I'll get her one.

I know that New Balance does manufacture in Lawrence, Mass, where they
can certainly use the work. I don't know how much of their production
is US, certainly not all.

If you want genuine New England made shoes, buy Alden. Bring the big
wallet.

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