OT Flame War

The US has violated or withdrawn from treaties when it felt it was the
correct course of action. This is a rather weak argument for supporting
racist colonialism.

You contend that the U.S. sent military forces to South Vietnam simply for
purposes of racist colonialism?

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

So what?

Perhaps because Crockett valued honesty, character, integrity, and moral
courage? All virtues sadly absent in Kerry.

As the sign in Baghdad said, "Saddam Gone, Job Done, Go Home". Good advice.

Well, we had Hanoi Jane, so I take it you're attempting to become "Baghdad
Tom"?

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James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
killed by the US

Cites, please? And have you forgotten the splendid work of the VC...*routine*
assassinations, mass murders, mass rapes, torture, theft, etc.? The V.C.
didn't invent atrocities, but they certainly put a fine polish on their
methods.

Not as random acts, but as policy. In fact, if Kerry had substituted "VC" for
"U.S." when he condemned the actions of U.S. troops in the field, he would have
been pretty accurate.


James S. Prine

"Colonel David Crockett...would *not* have supported Kerry."

http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/

James S. Prine wrote:

They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
killed by the US


Cites, please?...

This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
James S. Prine wrote:

They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
killed by the US


Cites, please?...

This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

When ask for facts you deflect the issue, I've yet to see any evidence the
US killed 2 to 3 million people

Considering all of the other complaints you seem to have about the US
perhaps you want to believe this happend?

Mark Leuck wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

James S. Prine wrote:


They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
killed by the US


Cites, please?...

This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant


When ask for facts you deflect the issue, I've yet to see any evidence the
US killed 2 to 3 million people

Considering all of the other complaints you seem to have about the US
perhaps you want to believe this happend?

AFP wire service published estimates of 2 million civilian deaths in
South Vietnam, 2 million civilian deaths in North Vietnam, and 1.1
Vietnamese military deaths for the war, for a total of 5.1 million. I
deliberately used very conservative numbers.

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Mark Leuck wrote:

When ask for facts you deflect the issue, I've yet to see any evidence
the
US killed 2 to 3 million people

Considering all of the other complaints you seem to have about the US
perhaps you want to believe this happend?

AFP wire service published estimates of 2 million civilian deaths in
South Vietnam, 2 million civilian deaths in North Vietnam, and 1.1
Vietnamese military deaths for the war, for a total of 5.1 million. I
deliberately used very conservative numbers.

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

Where is the evidence the US killed 2 to 3 million people? You appear to
have deliberately not posted that

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Mark Leuck wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

James S. Prine wrote:


They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese
civilians
killed by the US


Cites, please?...

This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant


When ask for facts you deflect the issue, I've yet to see any evidence
the
US killed 2 to 3 million people

Considering all of the other complaints you seem to have about the US
perhaps you want to believe this happend?

AFP wire service published estimates of 2 million civilian deaths in South
Vietnam, 2 million civilian deaths in North Vietnam, and 1.1 Vietnamese
military deaths for the war, for a total of 5.1 million. I deliberately
used very conservative numbers.

It would have been even better if we had killed every one of those communist
*******s in North Vietnam. Johnson did not know **** about how to fight a
war. He also did not know **** about how to fight poverty either. But that
is your typical liberal for you - a total ****- up in all departments. Kerry
would be another Johnson.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
James S. Prine wrote:

They have a long way to go to equal the 2-3 million Vietnamese civilians
killed by the US


Cites, please?...

This is common historical knowledge - would you ask for a citation that
Germany invaded Poland in 1939? Sheesh!

I see that Mr. Sherman, the pedant, is falling down on the job badly. He
used to look up this stuff for us and present it as a fact. But of course, I
could always dispute his so-called facts, so maybe he has given up on that
particular liberal tactic. Now he can just have his "common historical
knowledge" and I can just have my "common historical knowledge." I will
leave it to the reader as to who has any intelligence and wisdom when it
comes to common historical knowledge.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:

...
I see that Mr. Sherman, the pedant, is falling down on the job badly. He
used to look up this stuff for us and present it as a fact. But of course, I
could always dispute his so-called facts, so maybe he has given up on that
particular liberal tactic. Now he can just have his "common historical
knowledge" and I can just have my "common historical knowledge." I will
leave it to the reader as to who has any intelligence and wisdom when it
comes to common historical knowledge.

See my post elsewhere, before exhibiting your smugness - I was using a
conservative number for Vietnamese casualties.

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:

...
I see that Mr. Sherman, the pedant, is falling down on the job badly. He
used to look up this stuff for us and present it as a fact. But of
course, I
could always dispute his so-called facts, so maybe he has given up on
that
particular liberal tactic. Now he can just have his "common historical
knowledge" and I can just have my "common historical knowledge." I will
leave it to the reader as to who has any intelligence and wisdom when it
comes to common historical knowledge.

See my post elsewhere, before exhibiting your smugness - I was using a
conservative number for Vietnamese casualties.

--
Tom Sherman - Curmudgeon and Pedant

You used very conservative numbers yet avoided how many were killed by the
US which you originally stated was 2 - 3 million