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Old February 20th 04, 04:04 AM
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Dan Volker wrote:

I have people I am beginning to enjoy riding with again, that are very fast
expert class racers, and they are riding on bikes like the Intense X-country
bike, and on Santa Cruz Blurs. You could put a top pro on a single speed,
and he would get smoked by these guys on the trails we ride--there is just
too much variability in the terrain and obstacles--some sections have to be
ridden in a very small gear in order to navigate extremely technical turns
with big roots, this followed immediately by 20 mph plus sections you can
haul ass on.
Single speeders would have no hope, except to keep up with the HFS
contingent ( Huge Fat Slobs) :-)



That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other than
what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder. And I may
never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as fast on their
single as they do on their multi on a variety of terrain.

Greg

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Old February 20th 04, 05:07 AM
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:04:56 GMT, G.T. wrote:
Dan Volker wrote:


Single speeders would have no hope, except to keep up with the HFS
contingent ( Huge Fat Slobs) :-)


That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other than
what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder. And I may
never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as fast on their
single as they do on their multi on a variety of terrain.


....or faster than guys who do a fair amount of racing (or are generally at
the front of the pack when they ride back home.

I thought the funniest part was when he was talking about 25 mph like its
some sort of unobtainable speed on a singlespeed. I remember one
particular section during that Idaho epic when I was zipping along at
24-25, and I lost sight of JD on his SS pretty early on. I don't know how
fast he was going, but damn he was flyin!

Its OK to make assumptions about things you don't know (I guess), but
putting them on a newsgroup can make one look a bit...inexperienced.

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Old February 20th 04, 05:18 AM
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Dan Volker wrote:





That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other than
what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder. And I may
never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as fast on their
single as they do on their multi on a variety of terrain.

Greg


I don't know Greg, maybe the gene pool you ride in is defective, or you
really don't know what a "variety of terrain means".
Gears make a bike go faster in varried terrain. If a single speed bike was
really competitive with multi-geared bikes in varied terrain , then the Tour
de France would be ridden by a few guys on SS's....clue to Greg, it will
never happen.

If you can't figure out how this relates to mountain biking, I feel a little
sorry for you. And here's another hint....in the Tour, ability levels
between riders are much closer---VO2 max levels and the maximum performance
riders are capable of does not varry any where near as much as it does in
the kind of recreational, non-race based mountain biking, that some single
speeders apparently do.

I do have some experience on "single speed bikes". I did Veldrome racing for
about 4 years--fixed gear, no braking. I could ride an 88 inch gear faster
than many road riders on "some" road courses, but it would suck if there was
a long steep hill, for both the uphill and downhill. Riding my track bike on
the road was fun once in a while, but it was only "optimal" at the
Velodrome.
I see how some ss bikers could do well on some rocky trails that keep speeds
between maybe 8 and 15 mph. If the trail had sections that would allow much
faster riding, the ss would be grossly inefficient, and the only people you
"ought" to be able to keep up to then would be other single speeders or fat
guys on geared bikes ;-)

I don't care how skilled the SS guys are you have ridden with, there is only
so much range in cadence that is going to be efficient--and again, this will
come down to the ss boys being careful to stick to trails with narrow speed
potentials, so they can stay inside their efficient cadence range. They
might ride OK at a cadence of 40 or 50 for quite a while, but it would burn
up muscle glycogen quickly, and produce too much lactate if they were
working hard to maintain a fast pace....if they get over 120 cadence, which
is really unlikely for a rigid SS biker, it would still end up being to fast
a cadence to be efficient. So unless you guys are trying to tell me that
out West, there is only a narrow speed range its cool to ride at, I guess
I'm still too clueless to understand what you see in these one speed
wonderbikes...
Regards,
Dan V


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Old February 20th 04, 05:49 AM
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:18:13 -0500, "Dan Volker"
wrote:

[snip roadie tech]


I'm still too clueless to understand what you see in these one speed
wonderbikes...


Well put, you are clueless. Sounds like you've always have been and
always will be.....clueless that is.

Regards,
Dan V


Affably,
Bill
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than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
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Old February 20th 04, 06:40 AM
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message
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"G.T." wrote in message
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Dan Volker wrote:





That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other than
what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder. And I

may
never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as fast on their
single as they do on their multi on a variety of terrain.

Greg


I don't know Greg, maybe the gene pool you ride in is defective, or you
really don't know what a "variety of terrain means".
Gears make a bike go faster in varried terrain.


Hey cluebie, it's not about the bike, it's about the rider.

Speaking of "variety of terrain," check out the course for the 24 hours of
Adrenalin in Monterey, CA. Much more variety than anything in your beloved
pancake flat Florida.

The fastest lap times were turned by someone on a SS. That's just one
example, among many.

"I can go much faster on constantly varrying terrain, with the ability to
shift into bigger or smaller gears as needed to hit the optimum speed."

Perhaps you're unable to vary your cadence, but accomplished riders
certainly can. Even on an SS.

p.s. I'm another person that doesn't ride an SS but who has ridden with very
fast folks on SSes.



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Old February 20th 04, 07:24 AM
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p e t e f a g e r l i n wrote:
"Dan Volker" wrote in message
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"G.T." wrote in message
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That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other
than what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder.
And I may never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as
fast on their single as they do on their multi on a variety of
terrain.

Greg


I don't know Greg, maybe the gene pool you ride in is defective, or
you really don't know what a "variety of terrain means".
Gears make a bike go faster in varried terrain.


Hey cluebie, it's not about the bike, it's about the rider.

Speaking of "variety of terrain," check out the course for the 24
hours of Adrenalin in Monterey, CA. Much more variety than anything
in your beloved pancake flat Florida.

The fastest lap times were turned by someone on a SS. That's just one
example, among many. {snip}



There's one good thing about Dan's flailing around on this SS stuff: it's
that much less time he can devote to trying to run his girlfriend's life for
her.

Bill "smoked by SS-ers on too regular a basis" S.


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Old February 20th 04, 08:12 AM
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Dan Volker wrote:
"G.T." wrote in message
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Dan Volker wrote:




That's just about the most clueless thing I've read on a.m-b other than
what comes out of scottdumbski. And I'm not a single-speeder. And I may
never be. But I've ridden with plenty who went just as fast on their
single as they do on their multi on a variety of terrain.

Greg



I don't know Greg, maybe the gene pool you ride in is defective, or you
really don't know what a "variety of terrain means".
Gears make a bike go faster in varried terrain. If a single speed bike was
really competitive with multi-geared bikes in varied terrain , then the Tour
de France would be ridden by a few guys on SS's....clue to Greg, it will
never happen.


You still have not a ****ing clue. Do you even know what mtn biking is?
Seriously.

Greg


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Old February 20th 04, 10:57 AM
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message . ..
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message news:



What does NORBA have to do anything? Amateur racing is meaningless.
In fact, as far as the type of bicycle is concerned, professional
racing is meaningless as well. Will you ever get it that it's not the
bike, it's the rider?


It has to do with hitting the highest speed possible at every moment--to
some people, this is fun--to me this is fun.


Another not very deft dodge. What does that have to do with NORBA?

I can go much faster on constantly varrying terrain, with the ability to
shift into bigger or smaller gears as needed to hit the optimum speed.


Who is to say one can't go fast in varying terrain on a singlespeed?
Your statements are very funny, obviously fueled by inexperience in
mountain biking.

If you like dueling it out with your friends on a trail, why shoot

yourself
in the foot by getting a single speed bike ??


I agree, if you have limited bicycle handling skills. Again, it's not
about the bike, it's about the rider.


I think you are dramatically overstating skills


What you think and what is reality are two very different things.
Suspension will NEVER make up for solid bike handling skills.

---Florida riders do
extremely well in races all over the country, including all over the
west--so I don't think your skills idea holds water.


Amateur racing doesn't mean a thing. The best riders in this area
don't race, with the exception of a couple of successful pros. What
you think about the importance of skills is purely demented.

The speed would be the issue on the trails I care about--and that would be
influenced heavily by being able to shift.
In many of these trails, maximum speed on some trail sections could be 6
mph, on other sections max speed could be 16 mph, and on big flat sections
with high speed turns, it could be 25 mph. On the downhills the single
speeder can coast, but that would not keep him in the game with people well
set up and skilled for high speed downhills.


The next time I'm twisting 30mph+ wheel to wheel with the Angry Man
and other locals down the Prime Cut on my singlespeed, I'll laugh just
for you.

JD
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Old February 20th 04, 12:54 PM
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GT says:

You still have not a ****ing clue. Do you even know what mtn biking is?
Seriously.


It sounds liike he's been reading too many books about racing and training, and
not spending enough time actually doing stuff.

Shame, really....

Steve
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Old February 20th 04, 02:01 PM
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"p e t e f a g e r l i n" had
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"Dan Volker" wrote in message
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Snip jealous reply

uh oh! now you've done it. You've made JD's girlfriend mad and now he has
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