Good Mirror that clamps on handlebars?

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts.

Nonsense. That is why all motorcycle mirrors are rigidly mounted to the
bike, eh?

The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

The mirror moving with the head is a *disadvantage*, as it does not
allow for proper spatial location of the objects who's reflections are
viewed by the cyclist, unlike a handlebar mounted mirror. Therefore, the
latter is to be preferred by the recumbent cyclist.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that
clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts.

Nonsense. That is why all motorcycle mirrors are rigidly mounted to the
bike, eh?

I suspect they vibrate too.

The only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one
that will attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is
that it moves as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

The mirror moving with the head is a *disadvantage*, as it does not allow
for proper spatial location of the objects who's [whose] reflections are
viewed by the cyclist, unlike a handlebar mounted mirror. Therefore, the
latter is to be preferred by the recumbent cyclist.

I have tried many handlebar mirrors over the years and I have never liked
any of them. A helmet mirror works best for every purpose that I can think
of. As you swivel your head to get a better rear view you are in effect
scanning where you want to scan and seeing what you want to see. The helmet
mirror is mounted close to the eye and so there is no spatial distortion
that you do not quickly get used to.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:
I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that
will attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that
it moves as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

The "Take a Look" mirror is a nice product, but I see it through my glasses,
which are for distance, so it doesn't give me as clear a view as I would
like. I found a teardrop style handlebar mount mirror which works pretty
well, vibration is not a problem, but it is a little on the small side. I
miss the ability to turn around and look for traffic before making a U-Turn
or other maneuver. I think for certain traffic and roads, a conventional
bicycle may be more suitable.

"ATP*" wrote in message
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The "Take a Look" mirror is a nice product, but I see it through my
glasses, which are for distance, so it doesn't give me as clear a view as
I would like. I found a teardrop style handlebar mount mirror which works
pretty well, vibration is not a problem, but it is a little on the small
side. I miss the ability to turn around and look for traffic before making
a U-Turn or other maneuver. I think for certain traffic and roads, a
conventional bicycle may be more suitable.


FWIW, focal length with a flat mirror is the sum of the distance of the
object to the mirror plus the distance from the mirror to your eye. You are
in fact, not focussing on the surface of the mirror, you are really
focussing on the object, not the reflection so the distance portion of your
bifocal lens should be fine. I also use a "TaL" mirror when I ride my trike,
but have B&M Cyclestars on my other low racers.

gotbent, aka FRT rider

"gotbent" wrote in message
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"ATP*" wrote in message
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The "Take a Look" mirror is a nice product, but I see it through my
glasses, which are for distance, so it doesn't give me as clear a view as
I would like. I found a teardrop style handlebar mount mirror which works
pretty well, vibration is not a problem, but it is a little on the small
side. I miss the ability to turn around and look for traffic before
making a U-Turn or other maneuver. I think for certain traffic and roads,
a conventional bicycle may be more suitable.


FWIW, focal length with a flat mirror is the sum of the distance of the
object to the mirror plus the distance from the mirror to your eye. You
are in fact, not focussing on the surface of the mirror, you are really
focussing on the object, not the reflection so the distance portion of
your bifocal lens should be fine. I also use a "TaL" mirror when I ride my
trike, but have B&M Cyclestars on my other low racers.

gotbent, aka FRT rider
That makes sense, maybe I wasn't looking through the lens. I'll have to try
another one, I could use it for rowing as well.

On Mar 14, 12:47*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. *The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. *I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. *Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

ATP ... understand that Ed Dolan, with complete and utter absence of
any firsthand experience whatsoever is not in the very least deterred
from boldly expoundingwith assumed authority about something he knows
absolutely nothing about. This is a bad habit of Dolan's which serves
to only to undermine his credibility.. The Mirrycle Mirror is the most
rigid mirror of its type that I have ever encountered. I specifically
purchased it because it is vibration free.

JimmyMac aka Jim McNamara wrote:
On Mar 14, 12:47 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.
Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

ATP ... understand that Ed Dolan, with complete and utter absence of
any firsthand experience whatsoever is not in the very least deterred
from boldly expoundingwith assumed authority about something he knows
absolutely nothing about. This is a bad habit of Dolan's which serves
to only to undermine his credibility.. The Mirrycle Mirror is the most
rigid mirror of its type that I have ever encountered. I specifically
purchased it because it is vibration free.

I have the Mirrycle Mountain mirrors on several 'bents, and they do not
vibrate relative to the handlebars if everything is properly tightened up.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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On Mar 14, 12:47 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that
clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that
will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it
moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

ATP ... understand that Ed Dolan, with complete and utter absence of
any firsthand experience whatsoever is not in the very least deterred
from boldly expounding with assumed authority about something he knows
absolutely nothing about. This is a bad habit of Dolan's which serves
to only to undermine his credibility.. The Mirrycle Mirror is the most
rigid mirror of its type that I have ever encountered. I specifically
purchased it because it is vibration free.

If the bicycle is vibrating because of a bad road surface (very common
hereabouts), then any mirror attached to the bicycle will also vibrate.
Furthermore, any mirror attached to the bicycle will always be in the way
and quickly becomes a nuisance. A helmet mirror avoids all of these
annoyances besides being simply a superior way of seeing what is behind you.
Thus spake Zarathustra!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

ATP* (and Dolan)...

If the bicycle is vibrating because of a bad road surface, then rider
will vibrate as well as the mirror attached to the helmet of the
rider ;^). A helmet mounted mirror is not superior just because Ed
"Zarathustra" Dolan says it is. The helmet mirror is viewed with only
one eye which introduces a whole other set of problems.

Dolan needs to refrain from emphatically expounding upon topics he
knows little or nothing about in order to spare himself continued self-
inflicted embarrassment. Has anyone ever seen a motorcycle rider with
a helmet mounted mirror? As Tom Sherman correctly pointed out,
motorcycles have handlebar mounted mirrors.. Tom also stated that he
has the Mirrycle Mountain mirrors on several 'bents, and they do not
vibrate relative to the handlebars if everything is properly tightened
up.

It is worth noting that Dolan has not indicated that he has had any
experience with this particular mirror (because he hasn't). It is also
worth noting that both Tom and I have and Dolan has repeatedly
indicated that Tom is a recumbent guru of sorts whose opinion he
respects, so why then doesn't Dolan just shut up? Well, because it is
just not in his nature to be agreeable, rational and sensible.

In spite of Dolan's errant assertions to the contrary, a handlebar
mounted mirror is not ALWAYS (one of Dolan's favorite words) in the
way, nor does it quickly become a nuisance. Had the nuisance (Dolan)
bothered to check the links I provided, he would have realized that
there are various mount options specifically intended to address this
very problem (one which I don't have). Granted, some handlebar
mounted mirrors are decidedly flimsy and do vibrate considerably. It
just so happens the Mirrycle Mirror is extremely rigid and, as Tom
Sherman pointed out, does not vibrate in relation to the handlebar.
Had to mention that a second time it would not escape the Doloan's
attention.

ATP* ... understand that Dolan has a bug up his ass when it comes to
Sherman and myself, so you need to take this into consideration when
he responds to either of us. You can take my word and/or that of Tom
Sherman or you can take the word of Dolan who has not experience with
this particular mirror. Tom and I are trying to be helpful whereas
Dolan obviously has ONLY an axe to grind.

Jim McNamara

On Mar 15, 10:46*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Mar 14, 12:47 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

"JimmyMac" wrote in message

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On Feb 16, 10:51 pm, "ATP*" wrote:

I have high racer type bars that turn down at the ends, so the typical
bar-end handlebar mirror won't work. I have a Bell mirror that clamps on
the
handlebar but it's almost completely worthless, like all the other
accessories now marketed by that firm. It is not only distorted but is
just
a flimsy POS. I'm looking for an old-fashioned type of mirror that
clamps
on, any ideas? I may have to adapt a motorcycle mirror. Thanks.

Here is another good option for you. ... the very sturdy (well made,
vibration free, w/glass reflector), and highly adjustable Mirrycle
Mirror. The problem is that it is intended to mount in the end of the
hanlebar. I have mine moundet to a handlebar clamp made by Minoura.
A few places sell the mirror in this configuration. Check the
following links, for example...
[...]

All mirrors that mount to the bicycle handlebars or anywhere else on the
bicycle are worthless. The vibration factor alone will drive you nuts. The
only way to go is with a mirror that mounts to your helmet or one that
will
attach to your glasses. An added advantage of such a mirror is that it
moves
as you move your head. Who could ask for anything more!

ATP ... understand that Ed Dolan, with complete and utter absence of

any firsthand experience whatsoever is not in the very least deterred
from boldly expounding with assumed authority about something he knows
absolutely nothing about. *This is a bad habit of Dolan's which serves
to only to undermine his credibility.. The Mirrycle Mirror is the most
rigid mirror of its type that I have ever encountered. *I specifically
purchased it because it is vibration free.

If the bicycle is vibrating because of a bad road surface (very common
hereabouts), then any mirror attached to the bicycle will also vibrate.
Furthermore, any mirror attached to the bicycle will always be in the way
and quickly becomes a nuisance. A helmet mirror avoids all of these
annoyances besides being simply a superior way of seeing what is behind you.
Thus spake Zarathustra!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota