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On 9/8/19 9:15 am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:28:08 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: https://science.wonderhowto.com/how-...ystals-408998/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The best way of getting nitro is to melt sticks of dynamite in an iron skillet over an electric stove or even an open fire if you're careful. Dynamite is a safe way to transport explosive power over bad roads, for which nitro is far too sensitive, even in bubble-wrapped Mason jars with triple rubber rings between the jar and its top. If you're mining a river with nitro, for instance to kill all the crocodiles in it, don't use wood or metal boats; if a crock or even an eel bumps the nitro in the water, a metal or wood boat will carve up your legs, but an Avon rubber liferaft will be sent up into the air and all that'll happen to you is that you'll be soaked. Andre Jute There's a solution for every problem Well, that's handy to know. A good shower and bath on a hot day would be far more pleasing. -- JS |
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On 8/8/2019 6:38 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:23:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/8/2019 4:54 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 06:43:41 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 08:45:13 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Actually I have few complaints of much more stringent gun laws that any that you have stipulated so far. I am merely trying to point out to a very opinionated and generally ignorant of the subject individual that over simplistic laws are not very effective. GovCo says that the Australian Laws have prevent any further mass shootings since the Port Arthur event. The result has been to require people wishing to use firearms to have a valid reason undertake some firm are education courses. Now, we tend to have mtor vehciles as the weapon for mass events. But from your posts, I wonder if there are _any_ gun laws you would not consider "ludicrase" [sic]. I asked about the gun laws where you now live. You seemed give data indicating they work. Is it hell on earth living under those laws? Should we adopt them in the U.S.? Or are there others that you would propose? Well, to apply Thai Gun laws to the U.S. would require the removal of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution, probably a largely impossible action. Not So. The emphais would just need to shift towards "well regulated" and requirements for identity checks and and basic firearm safety performance could be enforced. But doesn't the U.S. have a well regulated militia. I had assumed that was what the National Guard was/is. I think that they even send them overseas these days. And if someone wants to play soldier, they should join the National Guard, an _actual_ well regulated militia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...National_Guard According to that site, they have about 450,000 members. But in the U.S. there are close to 400 million privately owned guns. I have no problem with guns used for hunting, but it's a sure bet that those are the minority of that 400 million. That means hundreds of firepower fetishers for every actual militia member. Try reading the 2nd amendment in a calm and impartial manner. It doesn't state that a gun owner must be a member of a militia in order to own a firearm. That's rather simplistic, since it was well over 200 years before a conservative majority supreme court narrowly came to the Heller decision. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 8/8/2019 6:53 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:48:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/8/2019 2:17 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 22:22:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/7/2019 9:57 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:57:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: The prohibition against hand grenades and other bombs works pretty well. So do the restrictions on machine guns. Very few own mortars or flame throwers. We should be able to apply reasonable restrictions to guns. Let the pretend soldier boys play with virtual military arms in computer games. That should be enough to satisfy their fantasies. It works in most countries. Perhaps in the U.S. where apparently the citizens are too complacent to make their own bombs but here, in a less well developed country, we just has a rash of some 6 bombs that exploded (and 1 "dud") in Bangkok in the past few days. All "home made" bombs. In the South home made bombs are so common that they have recently banned metal LPG tanks (a common container used in home bomb making). As you know, I'm interested in data. How many bomb deaths per year? It is hard to say as I can't find any statistics. That _should_ make you realize that the problem is relatively tiny! IOW, bomb control works pretty well. But I did find a Times report dated August 2016 that stated that the bombings had "ground on for more than a decade and killed more than 5,000 people". https://time.com/4449653/thailand-bombing-what-to-know/ So maybe 500 per year? Less than one bomb fatality per 100,000 population during an insurgency, i.e. a low-level attempt at war. The U.S. more than triples that rate using guns, with no need for any insurgency. Well sort of. You are ignoring the fact that the greatest number of bombs are exploded in the southern most provinces of Pattani, Yala and Narathwat with a combined population of 2,006,330. Or about the same as the U.S. state of Nebraska. Now if 500 a year had been killed by bombs in Nebraska for the past 10 years do you think there might be an outcry? Yes, "if." However, that's not what we're actually dealing with. Like it or not, your present country's gun laws correlate with much lower gun deaths than the U.S., and bombs do not make up the difference, as you tried to imply. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:28:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 8/8/2019 6:38 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:23:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/8/2019 4:54 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 06:43:41 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 08:45:13 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Actually I have few complaints of much more stringent gun laws that any that you have stipulated so far. I am merely trying to point out to a very opinionated and generally ignorant of the subject individual that over simplistic laws are not very effective. GovCo says that the Australian Laws have prevent any further mass shootings since the Port Arthur event. The result has been to require people wishing to use firearms to have a valid reason undertake some firm are education courses. Now, we tend to have mtor vehciles as the weapon for mass events. But from your posts, I wonder if there are _any_ gun laws you would not consider "ludicrase" [sic]. I asked about the gun laws where you now live. You seemed give data indicating they work. Is it hell on earth living under those laws? Should we adopt them in the U.S.? Or are there others that you would propose? Well, to apply Thai Gun laws to the U.S. would require the removal of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution, probably a largely impossible action. Not So. The emphais would just need to shift towards "well regulated" and requirements for identity checks and and basic firearm safety performance could be enforced. But doesn't the U.S. have a well regulated militia. I had assumed that was what the National Guard was/is. I think that they even send them overseas these days. And if someone wants to play soldier, they should join the National Guard, an _actual_ well regulated militia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...National_Guard According to that site, they have about 450,000 members. But in the U.S. there are close to 400 million privately owned guns. I have no problem with guns used for hunting, but it's a sure bet that those are the minority of that 400 million. That means hundreds of firepower fetishers for every actual militia member. Try reading the 2nd amendment in a calm and impartial manner. It doesn't state that a gun owner must be a member of a militia in order to own a firearm. That's rather simplistic, since it was well over 200 years before a conservative majority supreme court narrowly came to the Heller decision. Ah Frank, based on your post, what you are really saying is that for more than 200 years the 2nd amendment was accepted at face value. And than when someone tried to change it... and they got shot down. As the U.S. Constitution has always contained articles that allow it to be modified one can only suppose that the majority of the public is perfectly happy with the Bill of Rights. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 1:25:38 AM UTC+1, James wrote:
On 9/8/19 9:15 am, Andre Jute wrote: On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:28:08 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: https://science.wonderhowto.com/how-...ystals-408998/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The best way of getting nitro is to melt sticks of dynamite in an iron skillet over an electric stove or even an open fire if you're careful. Dynamite is a safe way to transport explosive power over bad roads, for which nitro is far too sensitive, even in bubble-wrapped Mason jars with triple rubber rings between the jar and its top. If you're mining a river with nitro, for instance to kill all the crocodiles in it, don't use wood or metal boats; if a crock or even an eel bumps the nitro in the water, a metal or wood boat will carve up your legs, but an Avon rubber liferaft will be sent up into the air and all that'll happen to you is that you'll be soaked. Andre Jute There's a solution for every problem Well, that's handy to know. A good shower and bath on a hot day would be far more pleasing. -- JS Don't try this at home, kids. The big danger in African rivers isn't that a stray crocodile will eat you* unless they're accustomed to taking people (we got the contract to clear the crocs exactly because they'd eaten one of a powerful pol's mothers-in-law), it's bilharzia from contact with the water. According to the CDC, who call it schistosomiasis, the "impact [of] this disease is second only to malaria as the most devastating parasitic disease". Good page on it at https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/schist...sis/index.html As far as I know, not a danger in Australia. Andre Jute Glad to be of service *Hey, maybe those crocs are waiting for Joerg, saying to each other, "Those mountain lions are all hat and no cattle. We'll show them how to eat a cyclist." |
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On 8/8/2019 9:28 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/8/2019 6:38 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:23:02 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/8/2019 4:54 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 06:43:41 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 08:45:13 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Actually I have few complaints of much more stringent gun laws that any that you have stipulated so far. I am merely trying to point out to a very opinionated and generally ignorant of the subject individual that over simplistic laws are not very effective. GovCo says that the Australian Laws have prevent any further mass shootings since the Port Arthur event. The result has been to require people wishing to use firearms to have a valid reason undertake some firm are education courses. Now, we tend to have mtor vehciles as the weapon for mass events. But from your posts, I wonder if there are _any_ gun laws you would not consider "ludicrase" [sic]. I asked about the gun laws where you now live. You seemed give data indicating they work. Is it hell on earth living under those laws? Should we adopt them in the U.S.? Or are there others that you would propose? Well, to apply Thai Gun laws to the U.S. would require the removal of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution, probably a largely impossible action. Not So. The emphais would just need to shift towards "well regulated" and requirements for identity checks and and basic firearm safety performance could be enforced. But doesn't the U.S. have a well regulated militia. I had assumed that was what the National Guard was/is. I think that they even send them overseas these days. And if someone wants to play soldier, they should join the National Guard, an _actual_ well regulated militia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...National_Guard According to that site, they have about 450,000 members. But in the U.S. there are close to 400 million privately owned guns. I have no problem with guns used for hunting, but it's a sure bet that those are the minority of that 400 million. That means hundreds of firepower fetishers for every actual militia member. Try reading the 2nd amendment in a calm and impartial manner. It doesn't state that a gun owner must be a member of a militia in order to own a firearm. That's rather simplistic, since it was well over 200 years before a conservative majority supreme court narrowly came to the Heller decision. Oh fer chrissake. Read any contemporary materials of the Founders. The militia are able bodied male citizens as a whole and yes they damned well ought to be armed, practiced and organized. In the case of the Colonies, officers were elected and despite most of their time being spent scratching a living from the earth, in an emergency they proved well up to myriad challenges. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
On 8/8/2019 10:17 AM, Radey Shouman wrote: My point was a little finer -- why concentrate on those deliberately killed 20 at a time, when those killed in ones or twos are really a much bigger problem? You're complaining about elementary human nature. One murder is regrettable and raises outrage. 20+ murders at once naturally incites much more outrage. The situation is closely paralleled whenever there's a traffic crash that kills many, a landslide that kills many, etc. I don't think that's all it is -- the press amplifies mass shootings in particular to a remarkable degree. As an example, I recently read about this incident in the risks digest (comp.risk): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49027178 33 people dead in a terrible arson in Japan, a country considerably less murderous and more law abiding than the US. An attack on an artistic enterprise, with the loss of a great deal of material as well. Yet stories on it seem oddly hard to find compared to recent mass shootings. Maybe it's just me. If a semi truck rammed a school bus and killed 29 kids, you'd be ill advised to show up saying "It's OK, kids get killed in cars all the time." It would be far more productive to say "Let's look into measures to reduce _all_ motoring deaths." And yet school buses are among the safest vehicles there are, so *yes*, making them even safer might well be a misappropriation of time, money, and effort. Frank is constantly reminding us to rely on data, for example on the relative scarcity of car bike collisions from behind. That does not mean I will attend a memorial service for the next unfortunate killed in that way with a sign belittling "fear from the rear". But it does appear that you're belittling almost 30 people killed in just a few hours. No more than you have belittled those run down on their bicycles from behind. |
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On Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:44:32 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:
The Swiss Army receives LESS training than the US Army reserves. They no longer receive any training after that. If you consider that a "well regulated militia" you are the sort of person I have been pointing out. Obviously the US training is wasteful. Look how many times Switzerland has been invaded. |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
On 8/8/2019 6:53 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:48:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/8/2019 2:17 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 22:22:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 8/7/2019 9:57 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:57:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: The prohibition against hand grenades and other bombs works pretty well. So do the restrictions on machine guns. Very few own mortars or flame throwers. We should be able to apply reasonable restrictions to guns. Let the pretend soldier boys play with virtual military arms in computer games. That should be enough to satisfy their fantasies. It works in most countries. Perhaps in the U.S. where apparently the citizens are too complacent to make their own bombs but here, in a less well developed country, we just has a rash of some 6 bombs that exploded (and 1 "dud") in Bangkok in the past few days. All "home made" bombs. In the South home made bombs are so common that they have recently banned metal LPG tanks (a common container used in home bomb making). As you know, I'm interested in data. How many bomb deaths per year? It is hard to say as I can't find any statistics. That _should_ make you realize that the problem is relatively tiny! IOW, bomb control works pretty well. But I did find a Times report dated August 2016 that stated that the bombings had "ground on for more than a decade and killed more than 5,000 people". https://time.com/4449653/thailand-bombing-what-to-know/ So maybe 500 per year? Less than one bomb fatality per 100,000 population during an insurgency, i.e. a low-level attempt at war. The U.S. more than triples that rate using guns, with no need for any insurgency. Well sort of. You are ignoring the fact that the greatest number of bombs are exploded in the southern most provinces of Pattani, Yala and Narathwat with a combined population of 2,006,330. Or about the same as the U.S. state of Nebraska. Now if 500 a year had been killed by bombs in Nebraska for the past 10 years do you think there might be an outcry? Yes, "if." However, that's not what we're actually dealing with. Like it or not, your present country's gun laws correlate with much lower gun deaths than the U.S., and bombs do not make up the difference, as you tried to imply. Please don't belittle those killed by bombs. |
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On Fri, 09 Aug 2019 05:12:55 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Another point that seems to be universally ignored by anti-gun enthusiasts is the fact that the majority of "gun crimes" are not commented with legally acquired forearms Irrelevant. Out lawing guns means anyone who has a unlicensed gun is a criminal, which often resut in plod giving them more attention and an increasing rap sheet. It is a win win situation really. |
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