Can't Use Helmets in the Sun????

Quoting Cathy Kearns :
"David Kerber" wrote in message
Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.
Worked for me for my children. One continues to ride a bike. The other
decided it wasn't worth it, and gave up bike riding when she entered junior
high. Prefered to walk the 1.5 miles each way.

So, given the health effects, you had a large negative effect on that
child's life expectancy. Well done! Perhaps you should suggest she
takes up smoking, too?
--
David Damerell Distortion Field!
Today is Monday, June.

I have been doing long distance self contained touring for about 20
years and have been hit by cars twice.

Both times was hit within a mile of my home while riding in the middle
of a group of bicycles. In each case a car rode directly across the
road from a cross street through the group of riders. How lucky can you
be.

In both cases although low speed collisions, I was thrown from bike and
landed by hitting my head on the curbing.

The first time in 1986 an MG hit my front wheel throwing me into the
air. I landed on my back and the back of my head hit the curbing. It
must have hit fairly hard because my glasses were throw completely
across the road despite the eye glass retaining strap I was wearing.
The driver kept on going but was caught by another driver. I was
stunned, My back abraded. My glasses were gouged, my front wheel and
fork were a pretzel and my helmet (a bell hard shell) was cracked. But
I was just dazed and abraded, otherwise unhurt. I think the helmet
saved my life.

The second time in 1998, I was the middle of three riders on the same
street as the previous accident. A Chevy station wagon, ran a stop sign
and hit me. This time she hit closer to the middle of the bike and I
was thrown across the street and hit head first on the curbing. This
must say something about the weight of my head versus the rest of my
body. I was knocked out. and had some pretty deep gouges on my right
leg and ankle, a strained neck and shoulder plus lots of bruises. My
helmet didn't crack this time (it was a Giro) but I was happy to
replace it. Again, I think the helmet saved my life.

I have been run off the road since but luckily not hit. There are two
things I take away from these incidents:

1. Stay off of that street

2. Always wear my helmet especially when I ride near home.

Roland

Dover, NH
ebent.com

David Damerell wrote in
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Quoting Cathy Kearns :
"David Kerber" wrote in
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Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.
Worked for me for my children. One continues to ride a bike. The
other decided it wasn't worth it, and gave up bike riding when she
entered junior high. Prefered to walk the 1.5 miles each way.

So, given the health effects, you had a large negative effect on that
child's life expectancy. Well done! Perhaps you should suggest she
takes up smoking, too?

Well, the kid is still _walking_ three miles a day. That's good exercise,
too.

KS

David Damerell wrote:

See, I would conclude that the helmet maybe saved me scrapes. Which
is nice

We can all go home now.

David Damerell wrote:
Quoting Cathy Kearns :
"David Kerber" wrote in
message

Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.

Worked for me for my children. One continues to ride a bike. The
other decided it wasn't worth it, and gave up bike riding when she
entered junior high. Prefered to walk the 1.5 miles each way.


So, given the health effects, you had a large negative effect on that
child's life expectancy. Well done! Perhaps you should suggest she
takes up smoking, too?

A "large negative effect on that child's life expectancy"??? Damn it all,
Damnitall -- you're being a weasel. Again.

Walking 3 miles a day probably affords /more/ health benefits than cycling
the same distance. More constant "work" (no coasting); less danger of
accidents & injuries, too. (Here we go.)

You've outdone even yourself.

BS (really)

wrote:
I have been doing long distance self contained touring for about 20
years and have been hit by cars twice.

Both times was hit within a mile of my home while riding in the
middle of a group of bicycles. In each case a car rode directly
across the road from a cross street through the group of riders. How
lucky can you be.

In both cases although low speed collisions, I was thrown from bike
and landed by hitting my head on the curbing.

The first time in 1986 an MG hit my front wheel throwing me into the
air. I landed on my back and the back of my head hit the curbing. It
must have hit fairly hard because my glasses were throw completely
across the road despite the eye glass retaining strap I was wearing.
The driver kept on going but was caught by another driver. I was
stunned, My back abraded. My glasses were gouged, my front wheel and
fork were a pretzel and my helmet (a bell hard shell) was cracked.
But I was just dazed and abraded, otherwise unhurt. I think the helmet
saved my life.

The second time in 1998, I was the middle of three riders on the same
street as the previous accident. A Chevy station wagon, ran a stop
sign and hit me. This time she hit closer to the middle of the bike
and I was thrown across the street and hit head first on the curbing.
This must say something about the weight of my head versus the rest
of my body. I was knocked out. and had some pretty deep gouges on my
right leg and ankle, a strained neck and shoulder plus lots of
bruises. My helmet didn't crack this time (it was a Giro) but I was
happy to replace it. Again, I think the helmet saved my life.

I have been run off the road since but luckily not hit. There are two
things I take away from these incidents:

1. Stay off of that street

2. Always wear my helmet especially when I ride near home.

Roland

Dover, NH
ebent.com

Sorry, Roland, your personal experiences and subsequent decisions are not
considered valid in there NGs. Go read some "studies". HTH, BS

Sorni wrote:

Sorry, Roland, your personal experiences and subsequent decisions are
not considered valid in there NGs. Go read some "studies". HTH, BS

s/b "these" NGs (for those who think I meant "their"?)...

On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:03:40 -0400, David Kerber
wrote:

In article .com,
says...
How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.

Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.

Sweet. Maybe we can do that with all cyclists.

JT


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On 30 May 2006 18:05:23 +0100 (BST), David Damerell
wrote:

Quoting foots :
wrote:
Quoting foots :
out to be my wrist watch in pieces scooting along in front of me. I
know my head would have been hurt, maybe a concussion or worse, had I
not been wearing my helmut. Not sure if it saved my life, but I know
it reduced my injuries considerably.
Really? Repeating the experiment with a control unhelmeted head must have
been rather unpleasant. I wouldn't have bothered, myself.
Well, slamming my head against asphalt at 15 mph with a helmut on and
not having one scratch (on the head) vs slamming my leg and butt and
shoulder against the same asphalt at the same velocity at the same
time resulting in scrapes and burns, at every contact point, that went
thru both layers of skin and one layer of expensive bib shorts is
enough evidence for me.

So because the rest of your body - which, incidentally, you are not as
equipped by evolution to protect as the head - got scrapes and burns, you
conclude that your head would have got "maybe a concussion", and you think
there's a possibility it saved your life?

I'm reminded of an acquaintance who broke his collarbone riding and
that made him decide to "always wear a helmet." I asked him how that
would help protect his collarbone in the future and he became
indignant.

JT

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I have been doing long distance self contained touring for about 20
years and have been hit by cars twice.

Both times was hit within a mile of my home while riding in the middle
of a group of bicycles. In each case a car rode directly across the
road from a cross street through the group of riders. How lucky can you
be.

In both cases although low speed collisions, I was thrown from bike and
landed by hitting my head on the curbing.

The first time in 1986 an MG hit my front wheel throwing me into the
air. I landed on my back and the back of my head hit the curbing. It
must have hit fairly hard because my glasses were throw completely
across the road despite the eye glass retaining strap I was wearing.
The driver kept on going but was caught by another driver. I was
stunned, My back abraded. My glasses were gouged, my front wheel and
fork were a pretzel and my helmet (a bell hard shell) was cracked. But
I was just dazed and abraded, otherwise unhurt. I think the helmet
saved my life.

The second time in 1998, I was the middle of three riders on the same
street as the previous accident. A Chevy station wagon, ran a stop sign
and hit me. This time she hit closer to the middle of the bike and I
was thrown across the street and hit head first on the curbing. This
must say something about the weight of my head versus the rest of my
body. I was knocked out. and had some pretty deep gouges on my right
leg and ankle, a strained neck and shoulder plus lots of bruises. My
helmet didn't crack this time (it was a Giro) but I was happy to
replace it. Again, I think the helmet saved my life.

I have been run off the road since but luckily not hit. There are two
things I take away from these incidents:

1. Stay off of that street

2. Always wear my helmet especially when I ride near home.

Roland

Dover, NH
ebent.com


Blasphemer!!! How dare you bring your personal experience with the
ostensible injury reducing benefits of a helmet into this hallowed
intellectual discussion?

Since you've raised the issue, be prepared to hear that:

1) You're a very poor cyclist. "Real" cyclists never get hit by cars, or
fall down.

2) Your injuries were worse than they would otherwise have been due to the
presence of the helmet on your head (rotational forces increased due to
additional circumference and weight, etc., etc.). Be thankful that you're
still alive given your ridiculous choice in headgear.

3) You would have survived those head impacts just as well, if not better,
if you had been wearing a proper cotton cycling cap (or, better yet, nothing
at all).

4) You've clearly not studied the available research which proves (to some
AHZ stalwarts anyway) that wearing helmets increases the risk of head
injuries (unless you wear one while showering).

With tongue firmly in cheek (and thanks for sharing some real world
experience)...

GG