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I received a traffic citation tonight.
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I received a traffic citation tonight.
(Hunrobe) wrote:
If you or Chalo had actually read the article he cited you would have noticed the last sentence- "The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average." Only Chalo could interpret "above average" to mean the same thing as "sub-average". Maybe in your great-grandaddy's time 100 IQ was average, but the so-called "Flynn Effect" has observed average IQ rising by 5 to 25 points per generation, depending on specific population. From http://www.indiana.edu/%7Eintell/flynneffect.shtml : "Tests like the Ravens, the Norwegian matrices, the Belgian Shapes test, the Jenkins test, and the Horn test are examples of tests that attempt to measure fluid intelligence. These tests try to emphasize problem solving and minimize a reliance on specific skills or familiarity with words and symbols. These tests on average have shown an increase of about 15 points or one standard deviation per generation." So, in short, 104 IQ is quite a bit sub-average, and so are most cops. Chalo Colina |
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I received a traffic citation tonight.
"dlakey" wrote in message ...
Should I fight the ticket? Well, of course -- but it won't necessarily be easy. If it does go to court (in case dealing directly with the Chief of Police as others have suggested doesn't work), then I would strongly suggest hiring a lawyer. Traffic 'commissioners' are often just as clueless as the police when it comes to bicycle provisions in the vehicle code. Having a lawyer will be helpful in the event you have to appeal and a lawyer will also know more than you about what is and isn't a police 'lawful' order. If the courts and/or police dept is still unresponsive, then consider attending the next traffic commission meeting (assuming your town has such a thing) and bring up the issue during public comment; and/or contact your city council representative. Political pressure can be highly effective. |
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I received a traffic citation tonight.
Many of the posters have advocated not merely fighting the ticket, a view
with which I agree, but effectively stomping on the offending officer and possibly even the department itself. While doing so would undoubtedly feel good, I cannot help wondering if educating them officer and the department wouldn't be much more effective for all cyclists in the area in the long run. If they get stomped, they will undoubtedly comply with the judge's ruling, but their collective attitude towards cyclists may be poisoned for a long time. I do not see any benefit to cyclists in that. Correct them. And make friends with them. |
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I received a traffic citation tonight.
Note: This message was queued when I expected it to be immediately sent. Sending much later now... On 03 Nov 2003 02:52:54 GMT, (Hunrobe) wrote: (Walter) asserted: In a lot of small towns hear in Illinois, a few courses at the community college in Law Enforcement and being 21 without a criminal record, and an uncle who is on the force is all it takes to become a cop. You should check your facts before making such ridiculous statements. Illinois law prescribes the amount of training required (and certain other minimum requirements) to become a full time sworn police officer in the State. The minimums are the same in Cairo as they are in Chicago, regardless of who your uncle is. Unfortunately, reality does not always equal the laws on paper. It's common* for people to bypass mandatory minimum requirements into positions of power, such as government or law enforcement, here in RI...is it different in Illinois? *: I can't cite any examples off the top of my head, but it happens. Regards, Bob Hunt -- Rick Onanian |
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I received a traffic citation tonight.
Note: This message was queued when I expected it to be immediately sent. Sending much later now... On 03 Nov 2003 07:10:24 GMT, (Hunrobe) wrote: Kevan Smith wrote in part: Most _people_ are stupid assholes most of the time, but there are some good ones. most people are decent most of the time and I'm willing to bet that I've seen Indeed, the reason for hasty generalizations that many of us make is because we only remember the stupid ones. Hence the drivers who try to force cyclists to take right of way -- they remember only the unpredictable cyclists, and we remember only the unpredictable drivers. Regards, Bob Hunt -- Rick Onanian |
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:27:19 -0800, David Reuteler wrote:
tctcrap wrote: : In denver the citizens and the police ride on the sidewalks in perfect : harmany. sadly this is very, very true. And it is also illegal. Colorado State Traffic Code leaves regulation of sidewalk cycling to municipalities. The City of Denver bans such riding. Multi-use-paths (bikes, peds, rollerbladers, dogs, etc.) that terminate onto sidewalks always puzzled me when I rode paths in the city of Denver. Richard Kaiser |
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