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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:48:24 +0700, John B.
wrote: "Manly" was driving with one hand with your elbow out the window :-) Yup, back in the old days people used to ride around in cars with the windows open. Can you imagine? In my father's case, driving with an elbow on the window meant that the sun was on that side and his bursitis was acting up. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at centurylink dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ |
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On 3/23/2021 12:48 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:44:00 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:41:27 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman wrote: That is an interesting reasoning. I can usually tell when I write something "interesting". I see few replies. Sigh. I got fed up with all the shifting riding through town. Yes, that's a problem. However, only a small part of my driving has been and currently is in city traffic. I drive mostly on open highways, which don't have a stop and go problem. I see few speed bumps, no roundabouts, and little bumper-to-bumper traffic. I guess I'm spoiled. I'm not sure how I would react today to stop-and-go type driving with a manual transmission. In previous vehicles, I could shift the 4WD transfer box into low, and crawl forward very slowly. However, my current Subaru doesn't have that feature. Here manual shifting is still considered 'manly' but I can't envision that with you and Frank. At 73 years old, "manly" is a faded memory. I don't have many passengers in the car, so there's nobody to impress. Various ladyfriends over the years have had the good sense not to comment about the stick shift. At best, a manual transmission is a reasonable anti-theft feature as few of today's car thieves know how to drive a car with a stick shift. Funny, when I learned to drive a manual shift wasn't considered "manly" it was just the way that a car, or truck, or even a tractor, worked and consequently, it wasn't anything that one gave much thought to. Rather like steering - if you can remember way back when you first drove? Holding the wheel with both hands and sort of squinting at the road with a worried look on your face and wiggling the wheel this way and that way in tiny increments? The old Pontiac in which I learned to drive had so much slack in the steering gear that wiggling the steering wheel was necessary to drive a straight line. "Manly" was driving with one hand with your elbow out the window :-) Yup, back in the old days people used to ride around in cars with the windows open. Can you imagine? Even manlier was using a steering wheel spinner knob. I had posted previously that even the taxies in Bangkok had automatic and just to prove me wrong fate found me two taxies, one to the hospital and one for the trip home - that were hand shift :-) To the hospital? Are you OK? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:32:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 3/23/2021 12:48 AM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:44:00 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:41:27 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman wrote: That is an interesting reasoning. I can usually tell when I write something "interesting". I see few replies. Sigh. I got fed up with all the shifting riding through town. Yes, that's a problem. However, only a small part of my driving has been and currently is in city traffic. I drive mostly on open highways, which don't have a stop and go problem. I see few speed bumps, no roundabouts, and little bumper-to-bumper traffic. I guess I'm spoiled. I'm not sure how I would react today to stop-and-go type driving with a manual transmission. In previous vehicles, I could shift the 4WD transfer box into low, and crawl forward very slowly. However, my current Subaru doesn't have that feature. Here manual shifting is still considered 'manly' but I can't envision that with you and Frank. At 73 years old, "manly" is a faded memory. I don't have many passengers in the car, so there's nobody to impress. Various ladyfriends over the years have had the good sense not to comment about the stick shift. At best, a manual transmission is a reasonable anti-theft feature as few of today's car thieves know how to drive a car with a stick shift. Funny, when I learned to drive a manual shift wasn't considered "manly" it was just the way that a car, or truck, or even a tractor, worked and consequently, it wasn't anything that one gave much thought to. Rather like steering - if you can remember way back when you first drove? Holding the wheel with both hands and sort of squinting at the road with a worried look on your face and wiggling the wheel this way and that way in tiny increments? The old Pontiac in which I learned to drive had so much slack in the steering gear that wiggling the steering wheel was necessary to drive a straight line. "Manly" was driving with one hand with your elbow out the window :-) Yup, back in the old days people used to ride around in cars with the windows open. Can you imagine? Even manlier was using a steering wheel spinner knob. I'd forgotten about them, probably as I never tried one out but when I was in high school I was very much into "jalopy racing" and one driver would drive the complete race with one hand on the steering knob. I don't know what he was doing with the other hand as shifting wasn't necessary on a 1/4 mile track. I had posted previously that even the taxies in Bangkok had automatic and just to prove me wrong fate found me two taxies, one to the hospital and one for the trip home - that were hand shift :-) To the hospital? Are you OK? All O.K. I've had a pacemaker installed and I see the cardiologist every 4 months and the machine people every 6 months just to check that everything is working correctly. By the way, the total cost of seeing the doctor and a 4 month supply of medicines was $129 :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 20 maart 2021 om 23:20:55 UTC+1 schreef James: On 20/3/21 6:26 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/19/2021 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: They used to say that about syncromesh gearboxes too. Does anyone know how to double-clutch any more? Yes. -- JS Everyone could double clutch when it was needed. I had to learn it in the army with that old junk that they were using. We moved on. I drove a stick shift for 30 years because this was more or less standard here in Europe mainly because an automatic gearbox was more expensive, less fuel efficient (about 10%) and 2 speed gearboxes were crap. I can't see why anyone would prefer a car with stick shift when buying a new car today beside cost. Lou Some (autos) are a bit sluggish, which if also in a smaller city car, which will compound this as it needs to shift more. Worse auto I drove was a diesel people carrier for work, it had a slow sluggish to engage box, with a gutless engine, made pulling out in busy junctions occasionally a bit tedious. Where as my Volvo which is same size and auto has a good box, and a reasonably powerful engine so you never really think about it, bar if I’m visiting my folks in Wales as you do notice the lack of engine braking, on the very steep stuff, ie 20/30% of which there is plenty. Bit mute since looks like EV will take over, plus I rather suspect that we are at or close to peak car. In that I can’t see it being sustainable as time goes on. Roger Merriman |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:13:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
wrote: Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 20 maart 2021 om 23:20:55 UTC+1 schreef James: On 20/3/21 6:26 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/19/2021 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: They used to say that about syncromesh gearboxes too. Does anyone know how to double-clutch any more? Yes. -- JS Everyone could double clutch when it was needed. I had to learn it in the army with that old junk that they were using. We moved on. I drove a stick shift for 30 years because this was more or less standard here in Europe mainly because an automatic gearbox was more expensive, less fuel efficient (about 10%) and 2 speed gearboxes were crap. I can't see why anyone would prefer a car with stick shift when buying a new car today beside cost. Lou Some (autos) are a bit sluggish, which if also in a smaller city car, which will compound this as it needs to shift more. Worse auto I drove was a diesel people carrier for work, it had a slow sluggish to engage box, with a gutless engine, made pulling out in busy junctions occasionally a bit tedious. Where as my Volvo which is same size and auto has a good box, and a reasonably powerful engine so you never really think about it, bar if I’m visiting my folks in Wales as you do notice the lack of engine braking, on the very steep stuff, ie 20/30% of which there is plenty. Bit mute since looks like EV will take over, plus I rather suspect that we are at or close to peak car. In that I can’t see it being sustainable as time goes on. Roger Merriman The Chinese are making electric cars now. They even make a sort of "mini" that sells for around US$1,000, plus shipping of course :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:13:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman wrote: Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 20 maart 2021 om 23:20:55 UTC+1 schreef James: On 20/3/21 6:26 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/19/2021 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: They used to say that about syncromesh gearboxes too. Does anyone know how to double-clutch any more? Yes. -- JS Everyone could double clutch when it was needed. I had to learn it in the army with that old junk that they were using. We moved on. I drove a stick shift for 30 years because this was more or less standard here in Europe mainly because an automatic gearbox was more expensive, less fuel efficient (about 10%) and 2 speed gearboxes were crap. I can't see why anyone would prefer a car with stick shift when buying a new car today beside cost. Lou Some (autos) are a bit sluggish, which if also in a smaller city car, which will compound this as it needs to shift more. Worse auto I drove was a diesel people carrier for work, it had a slow sluggish to engage box, with a gutless engine, made pulling out in busy junctions occasionally a bit tedious. Where as my Volvo which is same size and auto has a good box, and a reasonably powerful engine so you never really think about it, bar if IÂ’m visiting my folks in Wales as you do notice the lack of engine braking, on the very steep stuff, ie 20/30% of which there is plenty. Bit mute since looks like EV will take over, plus I rather suspect that we are at or close to peak car. In that I canÂ’t see it being sustainable as time goes on. Roger Merriman The Chinese are making electric cars now. They even make a sort of "mini" that sells for around US$1,000, plus shipping of course :-) They (Chinese) where much quicker to start making them than Europe/US to the best of my knowledge and have a huge internal market for them. Though batteries still cost though is falling, I believe that parity with ICE cars in terms of cost is rumoured to be getting close. Roger Merriman |
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On 3/27/2021 10:19 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:13:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman wrote: Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 20 maart 2021 om 23:20:55 UTC+1 schreef James: On 20/3/21 6:26 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/19/2021 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: They used to say that about syncromesh gearboxes too. Does anyone know how to double-clutch any more? Yes. -- JS Everyone could double clutch when it was needed. I had to learn it in the army with that old junk that they were using. We moved on. I drove a stick shift for 30 years because this was more or less standard here in Europe mainly because an automatic gearbox was more expensive, less fuel efficient (about 10%) and 2 speed gearboxes were crap. I can't see why anyone would prefer a car with stick shift when buying a new car today beside cost. Lou Some (autos) are a bit sluggish, which if also in a smaller city car, which will compound this as it needs to shift more. Worse auto I drove was a diesel people carrier for work, it had a slow sluggish to engage box, with a gutless engine, made pulling out in busy junctions occasionally a bit tedious. Where as my Volvo which is same size and auto has a good box, and a reasonably powerful engine so you never really think about it, bar if I’m visiting my folks in Wales as you do notice the lack of engine braking, on the very steep stuff, ie 20/30% of which there is plenty. Bit mute since looks like EV will take over, plus I rather suspect that we are at or close to peak car. In that I can’t see it being sustainable as time goes on. Roger Merriman The Chinese are making electric cars now. They even make a sort of "mini" that sells for around US$1,000, plus shipping of course :-) I've seen those. Four 12v lead-acid batteries on a glorified golf cart. No problem since that's what the customers want and buy, but comparisons to a Tesla or GM EV are fanciful. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:19:31 +0700, John B.
wrote: The Chinese are making electric cars now. They even make a sort of "mini" that sells for around US$1,000, plus shipping of course :-) Tata Motors (India) AIRpod car. Runs on compressed air: https://www.google.com/search?q=tata+airpod&tbm=isch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIRPod $7,000 Euros, 220km range, 0.5 euros/km, 3 or 4 seats, recharges in 1.5 minutes. No clue on hill climbing abilities or availability of compressed air recharge stations. Tata has been promising production since 2000, so I doubt we'll ever see anything from Tata, especially since Tata's largest division, Jaguar Land Rover, is reporting very bad sales figures. I suspect that the idea might be useful for powering larger bicycles (i.e. cargo bikes) or an alternative to batteries on eBikes. Soon, everyone will be riding around on bicycles powered by compressed air. -- Jeff Liebermann PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 09:27:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/27/2021 10:19 PM, John B. wrote: On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:13:03 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman wrote: Lou Holtman wrote: Op zaterdag 20 maart 2021 om 23:20:55 UTC+1 schreef James: On 20/3/21 6:26 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 3/19/2021 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote: They used to say that about syncromesh gearboxes too. Does anyone know how to double-clutch any more? Yes. -- JS Everyone could double clutch when it was needed. I had to learn it in the army with that old junk that they were using. We moved on. I drove a stick shift for 30 years because this was more or less standard here in Europe mainly because an automatic gearbox was more expensive, less fuel efficient (about 10%) and 2 speed gearboxes were crap. I can't see why anyone would prefer a car with stick shift when buying a new car today beside cost. Lou Some (autos) are a bit sluggish, which if also in a smaller city car, which will compound this as it needs to shift more. Worse auto I drove was a diesel people carrier for work, it had a slow sluggish to engage box, with a gutless engine, made pulling out in busy junctions occasionally a bit tedious. Where as my Volvo which is same size and auto has a good box, and a reasonably powerful engine so you never really think about it, bar if I’m visiting my folks in Wales as you do notice the lack of engine braking, on the very steep stuff, ie 20/30% of which there is plenty. Bit mute since looks like EV will take over, plus I rather suspect that we are at or close to peak car. In that I can’t see it being sustainable as time goes on. Roger Merriman The Chinese are making electric cars now. They even make a sort of "mini" that sells for around US$1,000, plus shipping of course :-) I've seen those. Four 12v lead-acid batteries on a glorified golf cart. No problem since that's what the customers want and buy, but comparisons to a Tesla or GM EV are fanciful. Well, what do you want for "low end bicycle prices" :-) But the Chinese - some in conjunction with foreign company build (2020) over a 100 different makes and/or models. https://wattev2buy.com/list-chinese-...ev-car-brands/ The Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV (a new model) sold over 7,000 units in July 2020, 15,000 in August and some 50,000 are on order. Starting price is $4,200. Performance is top speed of 62 mph. On a single charge it will have a range of 124 miles. Before any disparaging remarks remember what they said when the VW Beetle first appeared on U.S. streets? -- Cheers, John B. |
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