Disappearing Strings

On 12-05-2016 12:15, Duane wrote:
Well I AM anxious to hear how Clinton started that war in 1990 when he
wasn't even elected until November 1992. My subscription to Fox News
must have expired.

I am SO tired of hearing that Fox News lies.
Not that they don't, but because of the absurd
implication that the others don't.

--
Wes Groleau

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 1:01:19 PM UTC-8, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2016 12:15, Duane wrote:
Well I AM anxious to hear how Clinton started that war in 1990 when he
wasn't even elected until November 1992. My subscription to Fox News
must have expired.

I am SO tired of hearing that Fox News lies.
Not that they don't, but because of the absurd
implication that the others don't.

--
Wes Groleau


I think that you hit the nail on the head Wes. As a group the media has turn from what was supposed to be guardians of freedom to protectors of the political class.

On 12/6/2016 4:01 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2016 12:15, Duane wrote:
Well I AM anxious to hear how Clinton started that war in 1990 when he
wasn't even elected until November 1992. My subscription to Fox News
must have expired.

I am SO tired of hearing that Fox News lies.
Not that they don't, but because of the absurd
implication that the others don't.

From what I've been able to tell, there are huge differences in both
the raw count and the magnitude of the lies.

For example:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...-meter-scorec/

Of course, the Fox fans will say that politifact.com is biased.

(I've heard the even reality itself is biased against Fox News!)


--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:05:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/6/2016 4:01 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2016 12:15, Duane wrote:
Well I AM anxious to hear how Clinton started that war in 1990 when he
wasn't even elected until November 1992. My subscription to Fox News
must have expired.

I am SO tired of hearing that Fox News lies.
Not that they don't, but because of the absurd
implication that the others don't.

From what I've been able to tell, there are huge differences in both
the raw count and the magnitude of the lies.

For example:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...-meter-scorec/

Of course, the Fox fans will say that politifact.com is biased.

(I've heard the even reality itself is biased against Fox News!)


--
- Frank Krygowski

My brother was a journalist major and then worked for a large newspaper in a large city in California. Very rapidly he discovered that virtually ALL of the news was manufactured and truth was only accidental since the idea of the news was to sell papers and advertising.

He quit the job and went to skill labor.

The present media has changed from what was once supposed to be those that put a warning shot over the bow of the government to protectors of the political establishment. Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:37:05 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 8:05:30 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/6/2016 4:01 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-05-2016 12:15, Duane wrote:
Well I AM anxious to hear how Clinton started that war in 1990 when he
wasn't even elected until November 1992. My subscription to Fox News
must have expired.

I am SO tired of hearing that Fox News lies.
Not that they don't, but because of the absurd
implication that the others don't.

From what I've been able to tell, there are huge differences in both
the raw count and the magnitude of the lies.

For example:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...-meter-scorec/

Of course, the Fox fans will say that politifact.com is biased.

(I've heard the even reality itself is biased against Fox News!)


--
- Frank Krygowski

My brother was a journalist major and then worked for a large newspaper in a large city in California. Very rapidly he discovered that virtually ALL of the news was manufactured and truth was only accidental since the idea of the news was to sell papers and advertising.

He quit the job and went to skill labor.

The present media has changed from what was once supposed to be those that put a warning shot over the bow of the government to protectors of the political establishment. Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I should also question that "improvement" - half truths are used solely to mislead. They are the worst type of lies.

On 12/8/2016 12:37 PM, wrote:
Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I don't know about that. I visited Jefferson's grave this year. I heard
no rolling.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12-08-2016 12:49, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/8/2016 12:37 PM, wrote:
Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I don't know about that. I visited Jefferson's grave this year. I heard
no rolling.

Jefferson is the fellow alleged to have written
"
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated
than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
"

One of my ancestors was the founder of the first English newspaper in
Kansas, and I read the first two years of it. Today, they attempt to
APPEAR objective. Back then, there was no such pretense.

--
Wes Groleau

On 12/8/2016 3:58 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-08-2016 12:49, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/8/2016 12:37 PM, wrote:
Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I don't know about that. I visited Jefferson's grave this
year. I heard
no rolling.

Jefferson is the fellow alleged to have written
"
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated
than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
"

One of my ancestors was the founder of the first English
newspaper in Kansas, and I read the first two years of it.
Today, they attempt to APPEAR objective. Back then, there
was no such pretense.


Oh that wacky Thomas Jefferson again. He lived so long and
wrote so much that any argument may be cited from both sides
with Jefferson quotations, to wit:


The basis of our government being the opinion of the
people, the very first object should be to keep that right;
and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a
government without newspapers, or newspapers without a
government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the
latter. But I should mean that every man should receive
those papers and be capable of reading them.

Letter to Colonel Edward Carrington (16 January 1787)




--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/8/2016 4:58 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-08-2016 12:49, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/8/2016 12:37 PM, wrote:
Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I don't know about that. I visited Jefferson's grave this year. I heard
no rolling.

Jefferson is the fellow alleged to have written
"
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated
than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
"

One of my ancestors was the founder of the first English newspaper in
Kansas, and I read the first two years of it. Today, they attempt to
APPEAR objective. Back then, there was no such pretense.

Correct, at least, for many of them. Newspapers were used then like
Trump uses tweets today.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12/8/2016 5:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/8/2016 3:58 PM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 12-08-2016 12:49, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/8/2016 12:37 PM, wrote:
Our founders must be rolling in their graves.

I don't know about that. I visited Jefferson's grave this
year. I heard
no rolling.

Jefferson is the fellow alleged to have written
"
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated
than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
"

One of my ancestors was the founder of the first English
newspaper in Kansas, and I read the first two years of it.
Today, they attempt to APPEAR objective. Back then, there
was no such pretense.


Oh that wacky Thomas Jefferson again. He lived so long and wrote so much
that any argument may be cited from both sides with Jefferson
quotations, to wit:


The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the
very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me
to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or
newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to
prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those
papers and be capable of reading them.


Which sort of jibes with my idea, that ideally, not just anybody would
be allowed to vote. (Yes, I know that's impossible these days.)


--
- Frank Krygowski