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On 7/27/2020 7:57 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:05:20 -0700, cyclintom wrote: http://www.aohflorida.org/the-irish-slave-trade/ Oh dear. Obviously the writer nows nothing of the fuller history of Ireland. Well before the English, there was the Roman Catholic church and the Vikings. I do know about that. And long after Viking times, the Swedes were cruel conquerors of many people. That's why I've stopped speaking to all my former friends of Scandinavian ancestry. Really, anyone whose distant ancestors ever oppressed anyone should be shunned. There's a lot of shunning needed! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/27/2020 8:14 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:50:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/27/2020 7:13 AM, news18 wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 03:26:21 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 10:28:25 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I suggest a simple test for the morality of the situation. If you lived in Ireland during the 1740 famine, and were offered a free ride to America in trade for some vaguely non-specific work situation, would you take it when the only alternatives were starvation or cannibalism? No need to answer, just think about it. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 It's not quite that simple, Jeff. For instance you make the assumption that all these starving families could be reached to make the offer of indenture equitably to all of them. It just doesn't answer to the realities. But it is an easy and common error, widely also made by professionals: Snipping AJs story and to cut to the point, many Irish people were seasonal labourers in England for centuries before the years of the famine. FWIW, that continued long after the famine. From what I've read, it was still happening in the 1950s and 1960s, at least. I don't know if it still happens today. It was 'before the famines' that interested my for family history and its existence isn't widely known. I play a lot of traditional Irish tunes with my friends. It's well known that (for example) Donegal fiddling is heavily influenced by Scottish fiddling, and there are songs and tunes in both areas that are closely related. It's said the reason for all that is the regular migrations of seasonal workers. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 7/28/2020 10:42 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:27:38 -0700, sms wrote: On 7/27/2020 9:30 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote: snip? Seriously now, isn't it possible in the U.S. today to get along on minimum salary? I don't mean to have the 40" TV in the toilet and all, but to get along? Maybe only one bicycle (I know how scary that is) and a second hand car, pay the rent and eat? Yes and no. A single person could survive on a minimum wage job, renting a room from someone, using food stamps and a food bank for food, and not owning a car. But they could not rent a market-rate apartment with a minimum wage job. To rent their own apartment they would have to get s Section 8 voucher or get into a subsidized Below Market Rate (BMR) apartment (for which there is a big waiting list). Certainly I haven't been in the U.S. in nearly 50 years but, while I don't doubt you, it seems almost unbelievable that in the "greatest economy in the world" a working man can't get along without government assistance. In contrast, in this little downtrodden nation, our "Cleaning Lady" who comes in half a day, and undoubtedly works somewhere else the other half, supports two school age kids - her husband ran off and left her - rents a small, maybe 2 - 3 room place, owns a small motorcycle, all without any help whatsoever from the Government, although in honesty I have to say that Thailand has universal health care. Universal health care would make a huge difference to low income Americans. It might also stop the practice of Americans showing up at expensive Emergency Rooms to get treated for minor maladies like severe colds, bad headaches, etc. We have a (now retired) ER physician in the family. He has many interesting tales to tell about that. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 12:53:06 AM UTC+1, news18 wrote:
I now potter with project and live of my investments. You sound like an entry I once saw in a job application for a cleaning position at our Delhi office: "Education: Junior Certificate, failed"; I told the personnel manager to give the fellow the job for his wit and the next time I swung by promoted him to the coffee trolley and told the manager to send him to driving school, and in a very few years he was the personnel manager of all our indigenous staff. I doubt an illiterate like you ever rose above plugging in their computers for housewives. Let's look at your single sentence again: I now potter with project and live of my investments. Actually, with both gross error corrected, it should read: I now potter with projects and live off my investments. Andre Jute Gross is right -- and this clown thought he could be a writer! |
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:32:42 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I play a lot of traditional Irish tunes with my friends. It's well known that (for example) Donegal fiddling is heavily influenced by Scottish fiddling, and there are songs and tunes in both areas that are closely related. It's said the reason for all that is the regular migrations of seasonal workers. -- - Frank Krygowski If you kept your mouth closed, Franki-boy, you would seem less ignorant. Get a map, look at where Donegal is, right next to the separate country of Northern Ireland, read up about the Plantation, and even you might eventually come to the conclusion that "migrations of seasonal workers" had absolutely nothing to do with any similarity of folk music between Donegal and adjacent Scottish-settled countries, and consanguinity and an open border everything. You sound like an idiot even on America, so common sense dictates that you should STFU about distant nations for fear of sounding even more of an idiotic jerk. Andre Jute What a smug, ignorant moron this man Krygowski is |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 03:29:43 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 12:53:06 AM UTC+1, news18 wrote: I now potter with project and live of my investments. You sound like an entry I once saw in a job application for a cleaning position at our Delhi office: "Education: Junior Certificate, failed"; I told the personnel manager to give the fellow the job for his wit and the next time I swung by promoted him to the coffee trolley and told the manager to send him to driving school, and in a very few years he was the personnel manager of all our indigenous staff. I doubt an illiterate like you ever rose above plugging in their computers for housewives. Let's look at your single sentence again: I now potter with project and live of my investments. Actually, with both gross error corrected, it should read: I now potter with projects and live off my investments. Wow, it took you long enough to work it out. Do you also move your lips when you read something. |
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 03:41:10 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:32:42 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: I play a lot of traditional Irish tunes with my friends. It's well known that (for example) Donegal fiddling is heavily influenced by Scottish fiddling, and there are songs and tunes in both areas that are closely related. It's said the reason for all that is the regular migrations of seasonal workers. -- - Frank Krygowski If you kept your mouth closed, Franki-boy, you would seem less ignorant. Get a map, look at where Donegal is, right next to the separate country of Northern Ireland, read up about the Plantation, and even you might eventually come to the conclusion that "migrations of seasonal workers" had absolutely nothing to do with any similarity of folk music between Donegal and adjacent Scottish-settled countries, and consanguinity and an open border everything. Lol, thus speaks someone who read it on Wikipedia or was it the local tourist signage. Andre Jute What a smug, ignorant moron What was that book that you claimed summarised all of world history; Gideons, Gibbons, whatever. I love it when, after claiming expertise, people show their ignorance by claiming 'Northern Ireland' when it has SFA to do with the subject matter. |
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On 7/28/2020 6:41 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 2:32:42 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: I play a lot of traditional Irish tunes with my friends. It's well known that (for example) Donegal fiddling is heavily influenced by Scottish fiddling, and there are songs and tunes in both areas that are closely related. It's said the reason for all that is the regular migrations of seasonal workers. -- - Frank Krygowski If you kept your mouth closed, Franki-boy, you would seem less ignorant. Get a map, look at where Donegal is, right next to the separate country of Northern Ireland, read up about the Plantation, and even you might eventually come to the conclusion that "migrations of seasonal workers" had absolutely nothing to do with any similarity of folk music between Donegal and adjacent Scottish-settled countries, and consanguinity and an open border everything. You sound like an idiot even on America, so common sense dictates that you should STFU about distant nations for fear of sounding even more of an idiotic jerk. Andre Jute What a smug, ignorant moron this man Krygowski is I normally ignore Jute the Troll, but some of his misinformation is too vile to let slide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donegal_fiddle_tradition "The Donegal fiddle tradition is the way of playing the fiddle that is traditional in County Donegal, Ireland. It is one of the distinct fiddle traditions within Irish traditional music.[1] "The distinctness of the Donegal tradition developed due to the close relations between Donegal and Scotland, and the Donegal repertoire and style has influences from Scottish fiddle music. For example, in addition to the standard tune types such as Jigs and Reels, the Donegal tradition also has Highlands (influenced by the Scottish Strathspey). ..." -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 4:09:14 AM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 03:29:43 -0700, Andre Jute wrote: On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 12:53:06 AM UTC+1, news18 wrote: I now potter with project and live of my investments. You sound like an entry I once saw in a job application for a cleaning position at our Delhi office: "Education: Junior Certificate, failed"; I told the personnel manager to give the fellow the job for his wit and the next time I swung by promoted him to the coffee trolley and told the manager to send him to driving school, and in a very few years he was the personnel manager of all our indigenous staff. I doubt an illiterate like you ever rose above plugging in their computers for housewives. Let's look at your single sentence again: I now potter with project and live of my investments. Actually, with both gross error corrected, it should read: I now potter with projects and live off my investments. Wow, it took you long enough to work it out. Do you also move your lips when you read something. Your comments have been so ignorant that if you have any investments at all it is entirely inherited. |
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