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Old October 21st 17, 01:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:18:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:41:59 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/19/2017 4:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/19/2017 1:34 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:54:27 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Hmmmm.
http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/10/cali...g-worst-record


Funny you didn't feel the need to look further.

While the total amount of fires this year is about 170,000 acres inb a
total of 17 wildfires, those of the Laguna fire in 1970 was 175,000
acres and 382 homes.

Those of 1889 called the Santiago Canyon Fire covered 300,000 acres.

New York had a wild fire covering a half million acres. New Brunswick
had one in 1825 that covered three million acres.

But when you can demonstrate a legal mind I suppose you needn't
actually know anything.

NASA seems to disagree with you.
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I'll put my money on
NASA.* They had to be super-smart to fake that whole moon landing thing.

Supersmart indeed:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...erature-fraud/

NASA reports 3.2 mm of sea level rise per year.

Over a 50 year period the tidal gauge on the Battery in New York
showed the sea level presently lower than it was in 1940.

In San Francisco Bay the tidal gauges used since the 1880's show no
sea level changes.

In Seattle again the sea levels are below what they were in 1940.

In Baltimore the sea level is 1 mm below what it was in 1950.

"Every single thing NASA says about sea level is fraudulent. NASA’s
own data says that Antarctica ice growth is reducing sea level."

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

So you stick with NASA because they're really looking out for you.


Peshtigo Wisconsin Fi 1.5 million acres 2400 dead.


Jay's "worst fires on record in California" may have meant to exclude
Wisconsin.


And Jay was given a couple of examples of California fires that were MANY times larger. The 300,000 acre fire was one single fire while the loss of what will be 170,000 acres is 17 fires. There were just five in the wine country and surrounds.

From the Pall Mall Gazette 1971: "We have often noticed that in the tabular statements of those compilers of weather records who write to the Times, useful and welcome as their communications are, every season is sure to be “extraordinary,” almost every month one of the driest or wettest, or windiest, coldest or hottest, ever known. Much observation, which ought to correct a tendency to exaggerate, seems in some minds to have rather a tendency to increase it"

An absolutely PERFECT example of this mindset is Jay. He's cold today so it's the coldest day in history. He's hot today so he believes in the discredited theory of man-made global warming.

This was based upon a theory of Arrenhius from the last quarter of the 19th century and was seized upon by environmentalists from the 1980's. They made many claims about how the scientist had proven this and that through direct experiment.

I searched out his paper and it was written in German so I had to do a great deal of searching to find a translation. Guess what - he made NONE of the claims attributed to him. He made not one single experiment as he said he did not have the money nor space to do so. Instead his work was based upon another paper about the light reflected from the moon. He made well thought out observations but not one of them would support the man-made global warming theory. This was generated firstly by Dr. Michael Mann. Mann's work ("known as the hockey stick") counterfeited data so blatantly that a Canadian scientist called him on it. Mann made the stupid mistake of suing that scientist in a Canadian court for defamation of character. Apparently he thought that Canadian would withdraw. Suddenly faced with court Mann's legal staff asked for additional time to prepare their case since the Canadian scientist had ALL his ducks in a row. The Canadian's advisers agreed ONLY on the grounds that Mann
supply the data he had in totality. The court so ordered.

Mann did not turn his records over. Ask Jay how the court will take this when they reconvene.

And the public documents Mann had been bandying about did not show two extreme climate events - the Medieval Warm Period which was warmer than today -significantly so - and the little ice age. By taking these ghastly events out of the data he was free to predict these horrible climate events without anything to compare them with.

Since this time NASA and NOAA have been forcing most of their scientific staff to agree with Mann's papers in public. But the worm has long since turned. Scientists from all over the world are plainly saying that these two government entities have counterfeited data.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

The article here shows how NASA has changed the data sets. Not a great deal mind you, but no change is legitimate unless they carefully explain why. And they have not.

If you read https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-at-ushcngiss/

You can see the extraordinary changes in the data from NASA.

While Jay is taking Seattle's "word for sea level rise" check this out:
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-co...6-04-22-54.png

Slightly down the page is a picture of a rock outcrop in La Jolla, CA near San Diego. It shows high tide in 1871 and today. You will note that there is maybe a slight REDUCTION in sea levels. Now of course this could easily be manipulated by not showing the same moon generated tide levels, but that is unlikely since the date of both pictures is public knowledge.

As a sailor I could go into the science of tides in depth but it is significant that Jay is willing to make comments outside his area of expertise with such frequency.

The one outstanding feature of man-made global warming is that those who know the least science are those that speak of it the most.


Re your rock, mentioned above, you seem to be arguing that the mean
sea level is lower today then it was in 1871 while every reference to
agencies that make it their business to measure mean sea level state
that the mean sea level has been increasing for the past 100 years.

Actually since sea levels measured in one location, unless corrected
for variations in atmospheric pressure, water temperature, wind
velocity, currents, even topographical features are meaningless. The
Panama Canal spans a sea level difference of 20 centimeters, for
example.
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Cheers,

John B.

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Old October 21st 17, 01:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 10/20/2017 7:52 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 4:38:14 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2017 7:14 PM, jbeattie wrote:
Sorry, man, but I'm paying your benefits.


Hey, thanks, Jay!


You're welcome, comrade! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX06s49xbHQ


Nice hats.


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old October 21st 17, 02:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old October 21st 17, 03:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 5:06:26 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

You missed the point of the link -- which is at the end. Current benefits are being paid by current employees. When you paid into the system, you were paying for your parents. Here is some more from the ABA: https://www..americanbar.org/newslet...ex/kaplan.html You are stuck in Myth No. 1 -- that there is a magical savings account out of which you are receiving benefits. Sorry, man, but I'm paying your benefits.

-- Jay Beattie.


+1

Both Social Security and Medicare were arithmetically
impossible as founded. It got worse.

Then successive Congresses increased and expanded payouts
faster than they increased inputs, all the while using phony
language ( 'trust funds' or in one egregious example 'lock
box') to describe 'spending it as fast as the monies accrued'.

You don't get to twenty trillion in debt with just one
error, one program, one lapse.


Amazingly, some "socialist" countries have done it right with at least some pension funds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govern...Fund_of_Norway Could you imagine if the SS Trust Fund has bought Amazon or Microsoft? With our luck, the whole fund would have gone into pets.com or Enron.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old October 21st 17, 10:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 5:17:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:18:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:41:59 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/19/2017 4:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/19/2017 1:34 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:54:27 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Hmmmm.
http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/10/cali...g-worst-record


Funny you didn't feel the need to look further.

While the total amount of fires this year is about 170,000 acres inb a
total of 17 wildfires, those of the Laguna fire in 1970 was 175,000
acres and 382 homes.

Those of 1889 called the Santiago Canyon Fire covered 300,000 acres..

New York had a wild fire covering a half million acres. New Brunswick
had one in 1825 that covered three million acres.

But when you can demonstrate a legal mind I suppose you needn't
actually know anything.

NASA seems to disagree with you.
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I'll put my money on
NASA.Â* They had to be super-smart to fake that whole moon landing thing.

Supersmart indeed:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...erature-fraud/

NASA reports 3.2 mm of sea level rise per year.

Over a 50 year period the tidal gauge on the Battery in New York
showed the sea level presently lower than it was in 1940.

In San Francisco Bay the tidal gauges used since the 1880's show no
sea level changes.

In Seattle again the sea levels are below what they were in 1940.

In Baltimore the sea level is 1 mm below what it was in 1950.

"Every single thing NASA says about sea level is fraudulent. NASA’s
own data says that Antarctica ice growth is reducing sea level."

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

So you stick with NASA because they're really looking out for you.


Peshtigo Wisconsin Fi 1.5 million acres 2400 dead.

Jay's "worst fires on record in California" may have meant to exclude
Wisconsin.


And Jay was given a couple of examples of California fires that were MANY times larger. The 300,000 acre fire was one single fire while the loss of what will be 170,000 acres is 17 fires. There were just five in the wine country and surrounds.

From the Pall Mall Gazette 1971: "We have often noticed that in the tabular statements of those compilers of weather records who write to the Times, useful and welcome as their communications are, every season is sure to be “extraordinary,” almost every month one of the driest or wettest, or windiest, coldest or hottest, ever known. Much observation, which ought to correct a tendency to exaggerate, seems in some minds to have rather a tendency to increase it"

An absolutely PERFECT example of this mindset is Jay. He's cold today so it's the coldest day in history. He's hot today so he believes in the discredited theory of man-made global warming.

This was based upon a theory of Arrenhius from the last quarter of the 19th century and was seized upon by environmentalists from the 1980's. They made many claims about how the scientist had proven this and that through direct experiment.

I searched out his paper and it was written in German so I had to do a great deal of searching to find a translation. Guess what - he made NONE of the claims attributed to him. He made not one single experiment as he said he did not have the money nor space to do so. Instead his work was based upon another paper about the light reflected from the moon. He made well thought out observations but not one of them would support the man-made global warming theory. This was generated firstly by Dr. Michael Mann. Mann's work ("known as the hockey stick") counterfeited data so blatantly that a Canadian scientist called him on it. Mann made the stupid mistake of suing that scientist in a Canadian court for defamation of character. Apparently he thought that Canadian would withdraw. Suddenly faced with court Mann's legal staff asked for additional time to prepare their case since the Canadian scientist had ALL his ducks in a row. The Canadian's advisers agreed ONLY on the grounds that Mann
supply the data he had in totality. The court so ordered.

Mann did not turn his records over. Ask Jay how the court will take this when they reconvene.

And the public documents Mann had been bandying about did not show two extreme climate events - the Medieval Warm Period which was warmer than today -significantly so - and the little ice age. By taking these ghastly events out of the data he was free to predict these horrible climate events without anything to compare them with.

Since this time NASA and NOAA have been forcing most of their scientific staff to agree with Mann's papers in public. But the worm has long since turned. Scientists from all over the world are plainly saying that these two government entities have counterfeited data.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

The article here shows how NASA has changed the data sets. Not a great deal mind you, but no change is legitimate unless they carefully explain why.. And they have not.

If you read https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-at-ushcngiss/

You can see the extraordinary changes in the data from NASA.

While Jay is taking Seattle's "word for sea level rise" check this out:
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-co...6-04-22-54.png

Slightly down the page is a picture of a rock outcrop in La Jolla, CA near San Diego. It shows high tide in 1871 and today. You will note that there is maybe a slight REDUCTION in sea levels. Now of course this could easily be manipulated by not showing the same moon generated tide levels, but that is unlikely since the date of both pictures is public knowledge.

As a sailor I could go into the science of tides in depth but it is significant that Jay is willing to make comments outside his area of expertise with such frequency.

The one outstanding feature of man-made global warming is that those who know the least science are those that speak of it the most.


Re your rock, mentioned above, you seem to be arguing that the mean
sea level is lower today then it was in 1871 while every reference to
agencies that make it their business to measure mean sea level state
that the mean sea level has been increasing for the past 100 years.

Actually since sea levels measured in one location, unless corrected
for variations in atmospheric pressure, water temperature, wind
velocity, currents, even topographical features are meaningless. The
Panama Canal spans a sea level difference of 20 centimeters, for
example.


John, the problem is that several things have happened: the major problem is that the measurements of mean sea level has changed from tide gauges in most coastal areas to satellite radar measurements. That wouldn't have been bad except the inserted several "corrections" which essentially doubled the yearly sea level change. Even if tidal gauges showed no sea level growth at all the satellite measurements would be reported as showing 1 mm growth per year. This was the "sudden" change from 2 mm per year to 3.

Also hidden from all this is that there is a cyclic variation in sea level change that has NOTHING whatsoever to do with melting glaciers or invented sea level corrections. Tide levels in southern California as noted in the photos hasn't changed. Sea Levels in Florida haven't changed. In the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea tide levels haven't changed. In the Society Island where environmentalists claimed rising sea levels would totally destroy the sea levels have DROPPED. These small islands have gained 127 sq miles if memory serves. You can go down to the wharves near the Ferry Building in San Francisco and there are tidal gauges there that have been there since the Gold Rush and the stains on them are in the same places. I'm told that it's the same in New York.

There have been educated studies but these have been either not used by NASA and NOAA or have been misrepresented. More and more scientists are coming out now and saying that their papers were misrepresented as positive when they were negative against global warming. Any IR astronomer can tell you that CO2 has NO EFFECT and that the absorbance of energy in the atmosphere is totally due to H2O and this is a water planet.

As someone that has designed gas chromatographs I already knew this but the amazing thing is that people that know absolutely NOTHING about it like Jay will defend NASA to the death. AGW is mostly a movement of the uneducated that have read a Saturday Evening Post article or something in Popular Science and know what's going on better than the scientists themselves.

What is obvious is that at least 20 years ago these agencies were taken over by the "environmentalist extremists" and they intend to threaten this world with a thought process that STARTED Planned Parenthood - that there are people in this world that are not wanted and they want to rid the world of them.

I happen to be especially sensitive to this because I am one of the racial groups that was targeted for destruction by Margaret Higgins Sanger. And on the other side of the coin is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) which is nothing more than a socialist extremist group who believe that the USA does not deserve to own the world they have built for themselves and that this should be given to the third world countries.

NASA and NOAA should have ALL of their funding other than that for their original duties pulled. The Department of Education should be closed down. It is up to states to educate their children the way THEY see fit instead of to the lowest common denominator. There are so many government agencies that have been constructed ONLY to give some Senator's brother-in-law a fat salaried job and should be eliminated.

Are you aware that if a Senator serves ONE six year term or a Representative serves three two year terms that they can retire on 3/4 full salary and benefits package for the rest of their lives? That HAS to go. Term limits and NO benefits after. People serve in these capacities for their civic duties and not to get rich quick.

I don't know about you but I am tired of being led by the stupid media.
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Old October 22nd 17, 12:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 10/21/2017 4:55 PM, wrote:

Can you imagine what I feel like standing in line at the grocery store when a lady with two children has to pay $15 for a SMALL package of hamburger meat?


Hmm. I just checked the package of lean ground beef we bought two days
ago. 1.2 pounds, $7.66. I hope her small package was at least two pounds
of meat.

What do you suppose Frank or Jay do around these people?


Hmm. Tell her to shop at a less expensive store?

Or I could adopt the right wing strategy: tell those out of work that
eventually, prosperity will "trickle down" to their recently-laid-off
level, if we give tax breaks to the corporate heads who make big bucks
by laying them off.

But in actual fact, I give more than the national average to charity,
and that's just the documented amount for which I have receipts. Some of
my recent donations to hurricane relief, etc. were just cash, no receipt.

I do not talk Christianity - I live it.


Interesting. I tend to resist talking about these issues with friends;
or at least limit the discussion so it doesn't dominate things.

Nonetheless, one friend was talking about reconnecting with a high
school friend from long ago. Her high school friend is a right wing
evangelical Christian, who said she doesn't believe it's her place to
help the poor; that they don't deserve it. My friend expressed
astonishment, as in "What does Christianity mean any more??"

I'm not saying that's typical. Yesterday, I learned that an acquaintance
of mine is a minister in an evangelical church. (I knew he was a
minister and an interesting guy, but that's all I knew.) Anyway, I was
told that he says Bernie Sanders is way too right-wing for him.

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Old October 22nd 17, 06:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 14:42:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 5:17:13 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:18:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:41:59 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/19/2017 4:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/19/2017 1:34 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 4:54:27 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Hmmmm.
http://www.wri.org/blog/2017/10/cali...g-worst-record


Funny you didn't feel the need to look further.

While the total amount of fires this year is about 170,000 acres inb a
total of 17 wildfires, those of the Laguna fire in 1970 was 175,000
acres and 382 homes.

Those of 1889 called the Santiago Canyon Fire covered 300,000 acres.

New York had a wild fire covering a half million acres. New Brunswick
had one in 1825 that covered three million acres.

But when you can demonstrate a legal mind I suppose you needn't
actually know anything.

NASA seems to disagree with you.
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I'll put my money on
NASA.* They had to be super-smart to fake that whole moon landing thing.

Supersmart indeed:

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...erature-fraud/

NASA reports 3.2 mm of sea level rise per year.

Over a 50 year period the tidal gauge on the Battery in New York
showed the sea level presently lower than it was in 1940.

In San Francisco Bay the tidal gauges used since the 1880's show no
sea level changes.

In Seattle again the sea levels are below what they were in 1940.

In Baltimore the sea level is 1 mm below what it was in 1950.

"Every single thing NASA says about sea level is fraudulent. NASA’s
own data says that Antarctica ice growth is reducing sea level."

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

So you stick with NASA because they're really looking out for you.


Peshtigo Wisconsin Fi 1.5 million acres 2400 dead.

Jay's "worst fires on record in California" may have meant to exclude
Wisconsin.

And Jay was given a couple of examples of California fires that were MANY times larger. The 300,000 acre fire was one single fire while the loss of what will be 170,000 acres is 17 fires. There were just five in the wine country and surrounds.

From the Pall Mall Gazette 1971: "We have often noticed that in the tabular statements of those compilers of weather records who write to the Times, useful and welcome as their communications are, every season is sure to be “extraordinary,” almost every month one of the driest or wettest, or windiest, coldest or hottest, ever known. Much observation, which ought to correct a tendency to exaggerate, seems in some minds to have rather a tendency to increase it"

An absolutely PERFECT example of this mindset is Jay. He's cold today so it's the coldest day in history. He's hot today so he believes in the discredited theory of man-made global warming.

This was based upon a theory of Arrenhius from the last quarter of the 19th century and was seized upon by environmentalists from the 1980's. They made many claims about how the scientist had proven this and that through direct experiment.

I searched out his paper and it was written in German so I had to do a great deal of searching to find a translation. Guess what - he made NONE of the claims attributed to him. He made not one single experiment as he said he did not have the money nor space to do so. Instead his work was based upon another paper about the light reflected from the moon. He made well thought out observations but not one of them would support the man-made global warming theory. This was generated firstly by Dr. Michael Mann. Mann's work ("known as the hockey stick") counterfeited data so blatantly that a Canadian scientist called him on it. Mann made the stupid mistake of suing that scientist in a Canadian court for defamation of character. Apparently he thought that Canadian would withdraw. Suddenly faced with court Mann's legal staff asked for additional time to prepare their case since the Canadian scientist had ALL his ducks in a row. The Canadian's advisers agreed ONLY on the grounds that Mann
supply the data he had in totality. The court so ordered.

Mann did not turn his records over. Ask Jay how the court will take this when they reconvene.

And the public documents Mann had been bandying about did not show two extreme climate events - the Medieval Warm Period which was warmer than today -significantly so - and the little ice age. By taking these ghastly events out of the data he was free to predict these horrible climate events without anything to compare them with.

Since this time NASA and NOAA have been forcing most of their scientific staff to agree with Mann's papers in public. But the worm has long since turned. Scientists from all over the world are plainly saying that these two government entities have counterfeited data.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-climate-data/

The article here shows how NASA has changed the data sets. Not a great deal mind you, but no change is legitimate unless they carefully explain why. And they have not.

If you read https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...-at-ushcngiss/

You can see the extraordinary changes in the data from NASA.

While Jay is taking Seattle's "word for sea level rise" check this out:
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-co...6-04-22-54.png

Slightly down the page is a picture of a rock outcrop in La Jolla, CA near San Diego. It shows high tide in 1871 and today. You will note that there is maybe a slight REDUCTION in sea levels. Now of course this could easily be manipulated by not showing the same moon generated tide levels, but that is unlikely since the date of both pictures is public knowledge.

As a sailor I could go into the science of tides in depth but it is significant that Jay is willing to make comments outside his area of expertise with such frequency.

The one outstanding feature of man-made global warming is that those who know the least science are those that speak of it the most.


Re your rock, mentioned above, you seem to be arguing that the mean
sea level is lower today then it was in 1871 while every reference to
agencies that make it their business to measure mean sea level state
that the mean sea level has been increasing for the past 100 years.

Actually since sea levels measured in one location, unless corrected
for variations in atmospheric pressure, water temperature, wind
velocity, currents, even topographical features are meaningless. The
Panama Canal spans a sea level difference of 20 centimeters, for
example.


John, the problem is that several things have happened: the major problem is that the measurements of mean sea level has changed from tide gauges in most coastal areas to satellite radar measurements. That wouldn't have been bad except the inserted several "corrections" which essentially doubled the yearly sea level change. Even if tidal gauges showed no sea level growth at all the satellite measurements would be reported as showing 1 mm growth per year. This was the "sudden" change from 2 mm per year to 3.


The charts I see shows two levels. One based on tide charts with a
base line dated 1880 which shows a steady increase in sea levels since
that date.

And yes, there has been a satellite based sea level measurement, since
about the middle 1980's but unfortunately that line while not reading
exactly the same levels parallels the increase in the tide table data.
The authorities on who's measurements the charts are based seem to be
(1) The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation
(CSIRO) and (2)The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
(NOAA).
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John B.

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Old October 22nd 17, 04:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 4:48:54 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/21/2017 4:55 PM, wrote:

Can you imagine what I feel like standing in line at the grocery store when a lady with two children has to pay $15 for a SMALL package of hamburger meat?


Hmm. I just checked the package of lean ground beef we bought two days
ago. 1.2 pounds, $7.66. I hope her small package was at least two pounds
of meat.

What do you suppose Frank or Jay do around these people?


Hmm. Tell her to shop at a less expensive store?


No! I am a Christian! I would give her a fishing pole - or teach her how to ranch. Or maybe tell her that boneless chicken breast is $1.99/lb on aisle 6. Beef is ridiculously over-priced, and its a hugely inefficient protein. If someone is broke, why are they buying beef in the first place?

Or I could adopt the right wing strategy: tell those out of work that
eventually, prosperity will "trickle down" to their recently-laid-off
level, if we give tax breaks to the corporate heads who make big bucks
by laying them off.

But in actual fact, I give more than the national average to charity,
and that's just the documented amount for which I have receipts. Some of
my recent donations to hurricane relief, etc. were just cash, no receipt.

I do not talk Christianity - I live it.


Interesting. I tend to resist talking about these issues with friends;
or at least limit the discussion so it doesn't dominate things.


There was a time, long long ago -- a better world when people were civil and charitable and didn't discuss their religion or wear it like a badge or swing it like a cudgel. Now its Christians versus the world -- the nut jobs slinging AR15s and taking over bird sanctuaries are the new super-Christians.
https://cretoniatimesdotcom.files.wo...2/jesusgun.jpg If Jesus comes back, I hope he sues them for ruining the brand.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Interesting problem ..stories are no housing anywhere. Double wides ... with chimneys n an attached garage.

Is this human interest or actual another Cal. social problem ?
 




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