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The People Damaged and Defamed by Armstrong & Co.
On May 21, 3:50*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: wrote in message ... What drugs are you using, MIke? Triple-shot venti mocha. Should have been a double-shot grande. Better yet something from Main Street Coffee rather than *bucks. But why not just answer the two questions I asked? Tell me why they're not reasonable. Or that they're already been answered. So far we continue to see regurgitation of the same stuff, over and over and over, as if reprinting multiple stories of the same person saying the same thing somehow makes it more credible. Here they are again- #1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF. #2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the Lance-is-clean camp. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA wrote in message ... On May 21, 2:38 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message ... On May 21, 11:18 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: wrote in message .... Greg, Frankie, Betsy, Floyd, Tyler, Christophe, Filipo, David, Pierre, Steffan Prentis, Emma O'Reilly. The list of good people smeared to maintain the myth is endless. These folks should sue for defamation even though it will not bring back much of what they lost to this lying moron from Plano. The people in the cancer community who look up to him are the most violated victims. To use their cancer to help build his myth and cover up his life of lies is despicable. I'll give you some slack when including the anciallary figures in this case, but Frankie, Floyd & Tyler? C'mon, there's no personal responsibility in your world? These guys all made a choice. Nobody forced them to dope themselves, nobody forced them to stay in a vocation in which it appears, from their own stories, that the only way you could win or even be competitive was to dope. And there remains a shocking lack of forensic evidence so far. It will be interesting, if we get to see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up, or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them supporting the same event. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com ====== Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that they've committed perjury. I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for defamation and business interference (some of them). ====== So it's only the last one standing who has any accountability? These guys, by popular account, have been lying and making upstories FOR YEARS. Now suddenly they've changed their tune, saying they're telling the truth now, they were lying before when they denied various allegations against each of them. What makes Lance's liability in lawsuits and/or personal credibility in general any different from the rest of them? And then there's Floyd. You really want to bring him up in the same paragraph as "honorable" people? Floyd continued to make up stories (lie) after his big confession. Some people cannot help themselves. Maybe Floyd *was* treated like a second-class citizen when working for Lance. But he can't help but make up fictional stories that sound like they could have happened, to bolster his claims. Specifically, as I said before, Floyd was not riding "old" equipment that was any different from what anyone else on the team was riding. Floyd continued to spew nonsense long after his "confession." How much nonsense from others? I don't know. But I think it unlikely that a low-level mafia grunt would be able to successfully sue his boss for libel, and that might be what we're looking at here. It could be a bunch of now-repentent mafia grunts, but I think that's a distinction without legal merit. Regarding the case in general, as I said elsewhere, what will give credibility to the "Lance is a lying doper" line will be one or both of the following- #1: Forensic evidence, which has been amazingly lacking so far, at least what we know of. Maybe there will be a big surprise the week before the TdF. #2: Grand Jury testimony from multiple sources documenting the same event the same way. So far, we have many people each with their own separate Lance doping tale. What we don't seem to have are even two people documenting the same event, despite the fact that Lance was typically around more than just one person when these things are said to have happened. If it turns out that we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the Lance-is-clean camp. --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA What drugs are you using, MIke? I'm thinking maybe you swallowed the worm a few nights ago. |
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On May 21, 5:25*pm, Substance McGravitas wrote:
On 5/21/2011 9:24 AM, wrote: Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that they've committed perjury. I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for defamation and business interference (some of them). I hate to break it to you, but Tyler and Floyd ARE liars. Of course they are. That doesn't mean they are incapable of tell the truth. It seems the Feds are going to have a lot of corroborating evidence. Lance will do time on this one and his dance card will be filled to the rim. |
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On May 21, 11:51*am, "
wrote: On May 21, 1:10*pm, Fred Flintstein wrote: On 5/21/2011 11:24 AM, wrote: Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that they've committed perjury. Dumbass, Calling them liars does not imply a claim of perjury. May I remind you that you're not an attorney and shouldn't claim knowledge in this area. F ****Tard, as an attorney, I can tell you that Mr. Lance will be defaming his former teammates who are telling the truth, if he actually calls them liars. *He's really close to the line now by attacking their motives and brining up their past lies. *And if he actually calls them liars, then he is also calling them perjurers as well---actionable. And the Uniballer won't be able to use truth as his absolute defense. Now, please go back under your personal rock and jack off some more before amusing us further. Quoted above, first you say that "he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars" and then you say "Mr. Lance will be defaming his former teammates who are telling the truth, if he actually calls them liars. He's really close to the line now by attacking their motives and brining up their past lies ..." You can't even keep your own story straight. Is he in trouble for calling them liars, or is he in trouble because he will call them liars? Did you, as an attorney, recommend that they pre-emptively sue him now for what he will say in the future? I mean, the best defense is a good offense, they always say. Your legal theory that LANCE is close to a legal line by bringing up [acknowledged] past lies of someone he wishes to impugn is very creative. LANCE may be up **** creek without an innertube, and maybe deservedly, but if he actually gets successfully sued for making a factually true statement, I'll buy you a hand-carved commemorative soapbox. Fredmaster Ben |
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On May 21, 5:47*pm, "
wrote: On May 21, 5:25*pm, Substance McGravitas wrote: On 5/21/2011 9:24 AM, wrote: Dude, he's called Frankie, Floyd and Tyler liars and and implied that they've committed perjury. I hope a few of these folks get together and sue his Plano ass for defamation and business interference (some of them). I hate to break it to you, but Tyler and Floyd ARE liars. Of course they are. That doesn't mean they are incapable of tell the truth. *It seems the Feds are going to have a lot of corroborating evidence. *Lance will do time on this one and his dance card will be filled to the rim. OK. They are liars. Let's go with that. So if Lance calls them liars he's telling the truth AND he's defaming them? Interesting theory. DR |
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On 5/21/2011 1:51 PM, wrote:
****Tard, as an attorney, Careful, dumbass. F |
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: It will be interesting, if we get to see the Grand Jury testimony, to see if the various stories all line up, or if it has remained a lot of individual stories but no two of them supporting the same event. A telling point. The prosecution might have to do some work reconciling the accusations. -- Old Fritz |
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In article ,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: If it turns out that we do have such testimony, then it's pretty much case-closed for the Lance-is-clean camp. That part does not matter. The fun part is the overheated Keystone Kops chasing after Him and falling all over each other. -- Old Fritz |
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