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Old August 16th 07, 03:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story

(Bill Z.) wrote:
One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan.


John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
What is a gutter pan?


wrote:
http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

The dippy condescending white paint logo makes it 'desirable', right?
We'd never willingly ride over that crap otherwise. With the logo we're
supposed to persevere and be grateful for the indulgence of the Powers
That Be deigning to give us Our Own Lane with our own tax dollars??
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Old August 16th 07, 03:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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Just got the latest issue of "American Bicyclist," published by the
League of [same], and it contains a photo of a line of helmeted
cyclists carefully riding single file...in the door zone adjacent to a
line of parked cars.

Nice.

--Karen D.
life member, not ready to resign so I stay out of bike lanes

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Old August 16th 07, 03:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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A Muzi wrote:
(Bill Z.) wrote:
One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone
messed up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the
gutter pan, and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up
with a crack parallel to the direction of travel, so you need
enough clearance from that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane
while not getting too close to the gutter pan.


John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
What is a gutter pan?


wrote:
http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

The dippy condescending white paint logo makes it 'desirable', right?
We'd never willingly ride over that crap otherwise. With the logo
we're supposed to persevere and be grateful for the indulgence of the
Powers That Be deigning to give us Our Own Lane with our own tax
dollars??


JFTR I've never seen a bike lane like that around my area. (I think there
might be a few cases that used to be and have been fixed quite nicely,
however.)


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Old August 16th 07, 06:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
Bill Z.
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"Bill Sornson" writes:

A Muzi wrote:
(Bill Z.) wrote:
One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone
messed up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the
gutter pan, and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up
with a crack parallel to the direction of travel, so you need
enough clearance from that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane
while not getting too close to the gutter pan.


John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
What is a gutter pan?


wrote:
http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

The dippy condescending white paint logo makes it 'desirable', right?
We'd never willingly ride over that crap otherwise. With the logo
we're supposed to persevere and be grateful for the indulgence of the
Powers That Be deigning to give us Our Own Lane with our own tax
dollars??


JFTR I've never seen a bike lane like that around my area. (I think there
might be a few cases that used to be and have been fixed quite nicely,
however.)


FYI (I thought I pointed this out but it isn't in the quoted text),
the lane I mentioned was removed shortly after the bike lane stripe
was painted, and re-installed after the problem was fixed (either by
cutting back the gutter pan or by restriping the other lanes so the
bike lane could be put in in accordance with state standards.

We have a few very old bike lanes that are a bit two narrow, being
some of the first installed in California, so they went in before the
design standards existed. These are being fixed over time.

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Old August 16th 07, 06:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
Bill Z.
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Default Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story

A Muzi writes:

(Bill Z.) wrote:
One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan.


John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
What is a gutter pan?


wrote:
http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

The dippy condescending white paint logo makes it 'desirable', right?
We'd never willingly ride over that crap otherwise. With the logo
we're supposed to persevere and be grateful for the indulgence of the
Powers That Be deigning to give us Our Own Lane with our own tax
dollars??


This is fundamentally a silly statment - the picture shows a bike lane
stripe to the left of a gutter pan. From the picture, I can't tell
the width of the asphault in the bike lane - to meet standards, it
should be 3 feet in width or more. The logo is a standard symbol that
is required every so often. It is not to impress bicyclists - drivers
are supposed to stay out of bike lanes unless turning across them
(in which case they must be within 200 feet of their turn before
merging into the lane, yielding to any bicycles already in the lane).
Similarly there are rules governing bicyclists. So the logo is
there so that you don't have guess what kind of lane it is by
being able to tell a 3 inch shoulder stripe from a 5 inch bike lane
stripe (both solid white stripes) reliably.

There is no requirement that the logo has to be totally on the
asphault.

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Old August 16th 07, 06:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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aka Carl Fogel wrote:
...
http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

A true bicycle farcility (sic).

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Old August 16th 07, 01:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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On Aug 15, 7:42 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:35:54 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson

wrote:
On 15 Aug 2007 09:20:11 -0700, (Bill Z.)
wrote:


One lane was installed about 10 years ago by mistake (someone messed
up the design) - it put the lane stripe too close to the gutter pan,
and as the pavement deteriorates over time, you end up with a crack
parallel to the direction of travel, so you need enough clearance from
that so that a cyclist can ride in the lane while not getting too
close to the gutter pan.


What is a gutter pan?


Dear John,

http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Cheers,

Carl Fog


Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.

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Old August 16th 07, 02:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
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goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg


Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.


Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.

Wayne


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Old August 16th 07, 03:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
Bill Z.
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Wayne Pein writes:

goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg


Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.


Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.


Aside from the paranoia (attributing malice to what might merely be
ineptness), that depends on the width of the asphault inside the bike
lane. If it is three feet wide, the lane meets the design standards
and and riding inside the bike lane while staying on the asphault
should be easy for almost anyone.

If it is substandard, the city that installed it is taking a liability
risk if there is an accident (e.g., if someone catches a wheel in the
slot that forms after the surface degrades at the joint between the
asphault and the gutter pan).

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