Bike lanes in MA, dangerous bike lanes and a possible news story

"Dane Buson" wrote in message
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In rec.bicycles.misc wrote:
On Aug 15, 10:47 am, "OughtFour" wrote:

I'm not sure what that was about, but I hope this reporter does a better
job
on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There are some very
bad
ones in Cambridge.

'Can kill people?' I'm no fan of bike lanes, but to call the poorly
designed ones deadly is pretty damn silly.

Got any examples of bike lanes killing people?

http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/ca...one/laird1.htm

Classic bike lane as car-door lane fatality.

That was the incident I had in mind. Really awful when it happened.

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Wayne Pein writes:

goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.

Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.

Aside from the paranoia (attributing malice to what might merely be
ineptness),

Even incompetent people can be malicious.

that depends on the width of the asphault inside the bike
lane. If it is three feet wide, the lane meets the design standards
and and riding inside the bike lane while staying on the asphault
should be easy for almost anyone.

If it is substandard, the city that installed it is taking a liability
risk if there is an accident (e.g., if someone catches a wheel in the
slot that forms after the surface degrades at the joint between the
asphault and the gutter pan).

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Michael Press

On Aug 15, 11:50 am, " wrote:
Recently I engaged in a conversation over at ne.transport regarding
some inadequate bike lanes in the Newburyport, MA area. Shortly after
posting my reply, I got an email from a Boston area reporter. I don't
want to copy-paste the exact email in the interest of privacy, but the
gist was basically that she read my post and she's "heard other
cyclists complain of useless/dangerous bike lanes". She wanted to
know if there were any others that stand out as particularly
dangerous, stating that it may make a good news story for them if
so.

This seems like a good chance to try to get some public awareness, so
I figured I'd bounce the concept off of some other cyclists before
replying to her.

These are UK examples but you can probably just cycle around town and
find some equivalents

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.co.uk/ and click on the facility
of the month link.

Michael Press writes:

In article ,
(Bill Z.) wrote:

Wayne Pein writes:

goodone wrote:


http://motorman.org/wp-content/gutterpan_02.jpg

Only high skilled cyclists can ride on this kind lane.

Only highly malicious government employees create this kind of lane.

Aside from the paranoia (attributing malice to what might merely be
ineptness),

Even incompetent people can be malicious.

With respect to bike lanes? Get real.



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My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

On Aug 15, 1:04 pm, wrote:
Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...


The Coventry Velodrome

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

That's spectacular!

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:01:47 -0000, landotter
wrote:

On Aug 15, 1:04 pm, wrote:
Dear Dan,

You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...


The Coventry Velodrome

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm

That's spectacular!

Dear LD,

That site is a bit hard to link to--here's your Velodrome:

http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...ctober2006.htm

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

wrote in
ups.com:

better job on bike lanes, which can kill people if done badly. There
are some very bad ones in Cambridge.

'Can kill people?' I'm no fan of bike lanes, but to call the poorly
designed ones deadly is pretty damn silly.

Got any examples of bike lanes killing people?

The gestapo will REQUIRE you to use the bike lane in the door zone.

Riding in Cambridge bears a high liklihood of injury.


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William O'Hara
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On 15 Aug 2007, you wrote in rec.bicycles.misc:

On Aug 15, 12:26 pm, Dane Buson wrote:

http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/ca...one/laird1.htm

Classic bike lane as car-door lane fatality.

"Classic?" Really?

Are you suggesting that people don't ride in the door zone on streets
with no bike lanes?

I do not. Remember cars can not pass you if they do not have reasonable
room. They will have to wait.

I do not have to give way to a faster moving vehicle in Massachusetts since
I do not have a mirror.

People also treat horses with more respect. They don't rush to pass the
Horse and turn right in front of them like they do in Boston or the
suburbs.

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William O'Hara
www.N1ey.com - Amateur Radio and Railfan Blog
www.yahoogroups.com/group/illinoiscentral - premier discussion list
ICRR

wrote:
You can scroll back through monthly pictures with captions of
exquisite British bicycle road and path mis-design he
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...e-month/August...

landotter wrote:
The Coventry Velodrome
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...August2007.htm
That's spectacular!

wrote:
That site is a bit hard to link to--here's your Velodrome:
http://www.warringtoncyclecampaign.c...ctober2006.htm

Calling Tom Sherman! Calling Tom Sherman!

An employment opportunity if ever there was one. Anyone who's ever been
astride a bike, even a recumbent, could do better. They need you _now_
in Coventry!
The Civil Service goes home at 4pm, full benefits, vacations and
apparently no pesky performance standards.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Per William O'Hara:
I do not. Remember cars can not pass you if they do not have reasonable
room. They will have to wait.

Was that written tongue-in-cheek?
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PeteCresswell