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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range. That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier.. I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a 62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs. I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration of 531 your scales were off JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and Agostinho had comparable material. -- Tuschinski |
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John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range. That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier.. I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a 62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs. I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration of 531 your scales were off JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and Agostinho had comparable material. -- Tuschinski |
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"Tuschinski" wrote in
message ... John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range. That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier.. I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a 62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs. I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration of 531 your scales were off I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and Agostinho had comparable material. I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. |
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"Tuschinski" wrote in
message ... John Forrest Tomlinson Wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:14:32 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: "John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:46:25 GMT, "B. Lafferty" wrote: Machines in the 1980s were in the 17lb-18lb range. That was not typical, most top-level racing bikes were heavier.. I should probably revise that up a bit. But, in 1978 I bought an Austro-Daimler Ultima (Reynold 531 with full Campy Super Record) in a 62cm frame and it weighed just under 20lbs. I don't believe it. Unless it was some particulary rare configuration of 531 your scales were off I saw (held) some of those Ultra-Light 531 bikes (albeit 58cm and less). Considering the frame isn't the end-all of bike weigth I believe his claim easily. I also know that Van Impe, Merckx, Zoetemelk and Breu used ultralight "climbing"-bikes wich were around 7 kgs or so. I assume that other pros as Ocana, Thevenet, Hinault, Martin, Seznec and Agostinho had comparable material. I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message nk.net... I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering... James |
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"Tom Kunich" wrote in message nk.net... I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering... James |
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"James P. Spooner" wrote in message
news:AOWhd.99969$nl.76000@pd7tw3no... "Tom Kunich" wrote in message nk.net... I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering... Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the 'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it used a Swiss bottom bracket. |
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"James P. Spooner" wrote in message
news:AOWhd.99969$nl.76000@pd7tw3no... "Tom Kunich" wrote in message nk.net... I was at the top of Palomares Rd one time and there was some old guy there riding a Swiss bike (forget the brand.) It was a 6-speed friction shifter and the wheels didn't look particularly light and it had a leather saddle on it. While talking he claimed that the bike was 18 lbs. I lifted it and believe me, if it wasn't 18 lbs it was DAMNED close. I had a new bike with DuraAce, STI shifters and all, and weighed in at 24 lbs. Was it a Cilo or a Villiger? Just wondering... Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the 'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it used a Swiss bottom bracket. |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:32:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich"
wrote: Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the 'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it used a Swiss bottom bracket. There was once a bike called the Alpine that favored sky blue and had a red cross on white as a badge. Remember a few racing bikes and road tandems, but a Google doesn't show them anymore. Not sure if they still exist (evidence is that they don't) or whether they had a team. Problem with the U.S. cycling scene in the 70s was that a local importer like Pinto could make a brand appear relative common, even if they're presence elsewhere was minimal to non-existent. Never saw Alpines outside of the Washington, DC area. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:32:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich"
wrote: Neither - It was painted sort of a sky blue which I seem to remember was the 'house' color of that brand. I seem to remember that it was fairly common in the USA for awhile but by then it was difficult to get parts for since it used a Swiss bottom bracket. There was once a bike called the Alpine that favored sky blue and had a red cross on white as a badge. Remember a few racing bikes and road tandems, but a Google doesn't show them anymore. Not sure if they still exist (evidence is that they don't) or whether they had a team. Problem with the U.S. cycling scene in the 70s was that a local importer like Pinto could make a brand appear relative common, even if they're presence elsewhere was minimal to non-existent. Never saw Alpines outside of the Washington, DC area. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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