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PeterG wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-19905795/ A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at 25mph killing him. Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend. At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two years in jail. At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him: "You are going to kill someone." Advertisement Click here to find out more! Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days later. Messen will be sentenced in November. Comments please, especially from Doug Peter It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it. Why do I say that? Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently all have. PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? PPS: ukrc added |
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On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent
wrote: PeterG wrote: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h... A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at 25mph killing him. Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend. At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two years in jail. At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him: "You are going to kill someone." Advertisement Click here to find out more! Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days later. Messen will be sentenced in November. Comments please, especially from Doug Peter It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it. Why do I say that? Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently all have. Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you would like to show me a link to a post or two. PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence? PPS: ukrc added- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Adam Lea wrote:
On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent wrote: PeterG wrote: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h... A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at 25mph killing him. Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend. At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two years in jail. At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him: "You are going to kill someone." Advertisement Click here to find out more! Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days later. Messen will be sentenced in November. Comments please, especially from Doug Peter It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it. Why do I say that? Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently all have. Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you would like to show me a link to a post or two. PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence? What sentence is that? The story reports that he will be sentenced in November. |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:49:40 +0100, JNugent
wrote: PeterG wrote: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-19905795/ A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at 25mph killing him. Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend. At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two years in jail. At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him: "You are going to kill someone." Advertisement Click here to find out more! Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days later. Messen will be sentenced in November. Comments please, especially from Doug Peter It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it. Why do I say that? Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently all have. If you look at the figures you will find out that about one person is killed by a cyclist every two years. That compares with ten people killed be drivers every day. PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle for 6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing someone while driving on the pavement. PPS: ukrc added |
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"Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle for 6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing someone while driving on the pavement. Tom - Doug, Doug - Tom Two ****s together. |
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Gizmo. wrote:
"Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle for 6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing someone while driving on the pavement. Tom - Doug, Doug - Tom Two ****s together. I was taught that ****s are useful. Was I being lied to? |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:49:40 +0100, JNugent wrote:
PPS: ukrc added TrollN. |
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JNugent wrote:
PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? I wondered that. I hope that it was at least considered. One of the problems here, though, is that cyclists are being sent mixed messages in a variety of ways. A lot of cycle lanes are now on pavements. I must confess that these routes make me slightly uneasy and I tend to stick to a very low speed when using them. Secondly, I wish I had a fiver for everytime that I have seen a copper or a police support officer riding a bike on the pavement, often in busy shopping areas. I've even seen the pretend coppers riding at night, head to foot in black, with no lights on! Also, some junctions make it almost impossible for cyclists to safely comply with the law. A good example is the junction between the Trans Peninine trail and Tiviot Way in Stockport. You come off the trail and meet a set of lights that take you over this busy road and allow you to cut through a Tesco car park into Stockport. There is a cycle lane marked right up to the stop line. It is for bikes. It is where bikes should be and where I would like to be. Trouble is, bikes don't activate the lights to change, so you could sit there complying with the law until the bloody cows come home. The end result is that you have to crash the lights or cross using the pedestrian crossing. Still no excuse for doing a lethal speed on a pavement. I personally think that a charge at least equal to causing death by dangerous driving should be used against cyclists in such circumstances. Brian. |
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On 6 Oct, 14:00, JNugent
wrote: Adam Lea wrote: On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent wrote: PeterG wrote: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h... A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at 25mph killing him. Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend. At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two years in jail. At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him: "You are going to kill someone." Advertisement Click here to find out more! Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days later. Messen will be sentenced in November. Comments please, especially from Doug Peter It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it. Why do I say that? Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently all have. Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you would like to show me a link to a post or two. PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter? Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence? What sentence is that? The story reports that he will be sentenced in November.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sorry - misread it. I was referring to the bit about the maximum of two years in jail. |
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in message , Brian Robertson
') wrote: Still no excuse for doing a lethal speed on a pavement. I personally think that a charge at least equal to causing death by dangerous driving should be used against cyclists in such circumstances. I don't think anyone would disagree with you. It's more or less the same offence. As a side note - we, as cyclists, really need a serious crack-down on people cycling on the pavement. It's unnecessary and unsafe. Passing through Dumfries before dawn on Monday morning I passed ten people on bikes. Eight were on the pavement. Nine had no lights at all, and most of those had no apparent reflectives either. Only one had proper lights and was riding in primary position on the road - and, surprise, he was also the only one riding a drop handlebar bike. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ; gif ye hes forget our auld plane Scottis quhilk your mother lerit you, ; in tymes cuming I sall wryte to you my mind in Latin, for I am nocht ; acquyntit with your Southeron ;; Letter frae Ninian Winyet tae John Knox datit 27t October 1563 |
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