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Old October 6th 07, 12:49 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_2_]
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PeterG wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-19905795/

A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
25mph killing him.

Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his
car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend.

At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by
wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two
years in jail.

At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding
down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds
before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him:
"You are going to kill someone."
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Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days
later. Messen will be sentenced in November.

Comments please, especially from Doug

Peter


It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it.

Why do I say that?

Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no
cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all
be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of
the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently
all have.

PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?

PPS: ukrc added
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Old October 6th 07, 01:56 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
Adam Lea[_2_]
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On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent
wrote:
PeterG wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h...


A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
25mph killing him.


Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his
car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend.


At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by
wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two
years in jail.


At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding
down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds
before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him:
"You are going to kill someone."
Advertisement
Click here to find out more!


Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days
later. Messen will be sentenced in November.


Comments please, especially from Doug


Peter


It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it.

Why do I say that?

Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no
cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all
be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of
the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently
all have.


Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you
would like to show me a link to a post or two.



PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?


Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence?


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Old October 6th 07, 02:00 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_2_]
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Adam Lea wrote:
On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent
wrote:

PeterG wrote:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h...


A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
25mph killing him.


Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his
car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend.


At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by
wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two
years in jail.


At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding
down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds
before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him:
"You are going to kill someone."
Advertisement
Click here to find out more!


Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days
later. Messen will be sentenced in November.


Comments please, especially from Doug


Peter


It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it.

Why do I say that?

Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no
cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all
be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of
the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently
all have.



Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you
would like to show me a link to a post or two.



PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?



Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence?


What sentence is that?

The story reports that he will be sentenced in November.
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Old October 6th 07, 02:09 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:49:40 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

PeterG wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...9520-19905795/

A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
25mph killing him.

Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his
car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend.

At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by
wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two
years in jail.

At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding
down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds
before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him:
"You are going to kill someone."
Advertisement
Click here to find out more!

Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days
later. Messen will be sentenced in November.

Comments please, especially from Doug

Peter


It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it.

Why do I say that?

Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no
cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all
be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of
the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently
all have.


If you look at the figures you will find out that about one person is
killed by a cyclist every two years. That compares with ten people
killed be drivers every day.

PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?


No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle for
6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing
someone while driving on the pavement.

PPS: ukrc added

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Old October 6th 07, 04:03 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
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"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle for
6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing
someone while driving on the pavement.


Tom - Doug, Doug - Tom
Two ****s together.


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Old October 6th 07, 04:16 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
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Gizmo. wrote:
"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
No idea. But the sentence won't be a £100 fine and loss of saddle
for 6 months, which would be what a motorist might expect for killing
someone while driving on the pavement.


Tom - Doug, Doug - Tom
Two ****s together.


I was taught that ****s are useful. Was I being lied to?


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Old October 6th 07, 04:30 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:49:40 +0100, JNugent wrote:


PPS: ukrc added


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Old October 6th 07, 05:50 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
Brian Robertson
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JNugent wrote:

PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?


I wondered that. I hope that it was at least considered.

One of the problems here, though, is that cyclists are being sent mixed
messages in a variety of ways. A lot of cycle lanes are now on
pavements. I must confess that these routes make me slightly uneasy and
I tend to stick to a very low speed when using them. Secondly, I wish I
had a fiver for everytime that I have seen a copper or a police support
officer riding a bike on the pavement, often in busy shopping areas.
I've even seen the pretend coppers riding at night, head to foot in
black, with no lights on!

Also, some junctions make it almost impossible for cyclists to safely
comply with the law. A good example is the junction between the Trans
Peninine trail and Tiviot Way in Stockport. You come off the trail and
meet a set of lights that take you over this busy road and allow you to
cut through a Tesco car park into Stockport. There is a cycle lane
marked right up to the stop line. It is for bikes. It is where bikes
should be and where I would like to be. Trouble is, bikes don't activate
the lights to change, so you could sit there complying with the law
until the bloody cows come home. The end result is that you have to
crash the lights or cross using the pedestrian crossing.

Still no excuse for doing a lethal speed on a pavement. I personally
think that a charge at least equal to causing death by dangerous driving
should be used against cyclists in such circumstances.

Brian.
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Old October 6th 07, 06:16 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
Adam Lea[_2_]
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On 6 Oct, 14:00, JNugent
wrote:
Adam Lea wrote:
On 6 Oct, 12:49, JNugent
wrote:


PeterG wrote:


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstor...ist-in-death-h...


A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
25mph killing him.


Peter Messen, 28, hit Tesco storeman Gary Green, 41, as he loaded his
car to go on holiday to Venice with his girlfriend.


At Truro crown court yesterday Messen admitted causing bodily harm by
wanton or furious cycling in March last year. It carries a maximum two
years in jail.


At an inquest earlier this year witnesses told how Messen was riding
down a hill "like a bat out of hell" on his mountain bike. And seconds
before Messen mounted the pavement shopper Don Lowe shouted at him:
"You are going to kill someone."
Advertisement
Click here to find out more!


Victim Gary of Stenalees, Cornwall, died from head injuries four days
later. Messen will be sentenced in November.


Comments please, especially from Doug


Peter


It can't possibly have happened. The "newspaper" must be imagining it.


Why do I say that?


Obviously, it's because we have been assured time and again that no
cyclist can possibly harm another road user and that they should all
be canonised forthwith. And each given a hundred quid a week out of
the poorbox to add to the considerably higher incomes they apparently
all have.


Funny I have never seen such an attitude posted anywhere. Perhaps you
would like to show me a link to a post or two.


PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?


Why did he get such an absurdly low sentence?


What sentence is that?

The story reports that he will be sentenced in November.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sorry - misread it.

I was referring to the bit about the maximum of two years in jail.

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Old October 6th 07, 06:58 PM posted to uk.transport,uk.rec.cycling
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in message , Brian Robertson
') wrote:

Still no excuse for doing a lethal speed on a pavement. I personally
think that a charge at least equal to causing death by dangerous driving
should be used against cyclists in such circumstances.


I don't think anyone would disagree with you. It's more or less the same
offence.

As a side note - we, as cyclists, really need a serious crack-down on
people cycling on the pavement. It's unnecessary and unsafe. Passing
through Dumfries before dawn on Monday morning I passed ten people on
bikes. Eight were on the pavement. Nine had no lights at all, and most of
those had no apparent reflectives either. Only one had proper lights and
was riding in primary position on the road - and, surprise, he was also
the only one riding a drop handlebar bike.

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