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So you say there's no GW, how do you splurge energy?



 
 
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Old February 16th 10, 03:28 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Default So you say there's no GW, how do you splurge energy?

On Feb 15, 9:59*pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
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TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote:
On Feb 15, 6:54*pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
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TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote:
On Feb 14, 11:23*pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In ,
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle wrote:
"Is GW real or are the Polar Bears disappearing into thin air?"


Most of you can't ignore that Global Warming and endangered species
are related, but not so clearly laid bear.


I'm pretty sure we can have good signs of things to come with this....


(I quote)


Today's polar bears are facing the rapid loss of the sea-ice habitat
that they rely on to hunt, breed, and, in some cases, to den. Last
summer alone, the melt-off in the Arctic was equal to the size of
Alaska, Texas, and the state of Washington combined=97a shrinkage that
was not predicted to happen until 2040.


...


At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group
(Copenhagen, 2009), scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations
of polar bears, eight are declining, three are stable, one is
increasing, and seven have insufficient data on which to base a
decision.


1/3 of polar bear subpopulations having sufficient data are not declining,
and 1/12 of the ones having sufficient data are increasing, according to
the above.


* And watch for the next 20 years showing almost half of the warming in
the 1975-2005 stretch to be due to a natural cycle (by likely having
global temperature refusing to rise even half the way it did in 1975-2005
stretch, if at all).
* Furthermore, a goodly 30% of anthropogenic greenhouse gas effect
increase incurred so far is from greenhouse gases other than CO2 and which
we have largely stopped increasing atmospheric concentration of roughly a
decade ago (CFC 12 and 11, methane, some others).


* Not that I doubt existence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), there
is geting to be some evidence that it is about half as great as proposed
by most proponents of AGW's existence.


* I would advise against proofs of existence of AGW to be considered
strong evidence that the *amount of AGW* that we are in for is the amount
predicted by proponents of existence of AGW.


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Then you use your COMMON SENSE and ride a bike or something, huh?


* If you don't know that ride bikes a goodly twice as much as I drive and
drive roughly 1/3 the national average miles per year, you don't know me
well!


How about eating plain popcorn instead of so much meat?


* I do have percentage of calories from meat below national average.
You must not have been experiencing m.c.f.l. long if you don't know
by now how much I bike, how little I drive, and what I think of the
low-carb business.


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* Not that I doubt existence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), there
is geting to be some evidence that it is about half as great as proposed
by most proponents of AGW's existence.


You are saying here that we should doubt the full extent of the
problem. Say 0 is what the deniers say, and 10 is the max, then you
say a 5. What you do, nothing? We have reason enough to ride a bike
and eat plain popcorn, and if you already do... hey, CONGRATULATIONS!


Why aren't the rest of American joining the club? Fear of the road,
too much junk food around, too many deniers who say it doesn't make a
difference anyway?


* As for scale of how much AGW I expect as a serious ameteur scientist,
I would say 4, maybe 5.

* As for rest of America? *I say mostly fear of the hard work like that
which Americans did when America was a rising high star. *It appears to me
that American ingenuity has been used lately to make work to be someone
else's labor - preferably offshore or by low-pay illegal immigrants.

* Also, I sense too many of my fellow Americans like to depend on
American medical innovation to "try to get away with" ulhealthful
lifestyles, mainly exercising too little, eating too much calorie content,
and eating too little of "veggies".

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I tend to agree with you but I do think that this laziness and
inclination to junk food is made by design. That's the role the media
and the elites have chosen for us: HAPPY, LAZY CONSUMERS and we
follow.

The few survivors that challenge the status quo around here ride bikes
on sidewalks or walk subject to various dangers. Naturally is better
to be "in the cage" and hop in the car to go to the supermarket.
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