Odd interaction with a road rager

Sadly, I think the "other thing" that many people have going on in their
lives is an underlying frustration with bicyclists who constantly ignore the
rules of the road and are frequently a menace to drivers as they weave in
and out of traffic, ride on the wrong side of the road, and blow through
traffic lights.

Most of my riding is done out here on the roads of Long Island, where nobody
bothers to teach or learn the proper and safe way to ride a bicycle beyond
the end of the driveway. As a result, I am constantly on edge while driving
around town, waiting for yet another kid on a Mongoose to come flying off
the corner on the left side of the road - or worse, an experienced adult
rider with an expensive bike flying through a red light so as not to fall
short of yesterday's time.

It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding
techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York
City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks
a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle!

"H" wrote in message
m...
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
Ron McKinnon wrote:

[...]
I suggest that, in the future, you do your best to avoid second
encounters
with stupid people driving cars (assuming the first encounter was forced
upon you). It can't be good policy for a cyclist.



I agree. People are crazy. Its not even worth it (and not effective)
to assert your rights to someone who is enraged about something else
in their life and is taking it out on you with road rage.

The fact that the guy had plenty of room to pass or at worst was
slowed down for a couple of seconds demonstrates that this is not
about traffic with the road-rager. He has something else going on, and
it is best not to get involved in his problems. You won't "teach" him
anything and risk more than you than expect.


-H.

Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family who are
such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed to flee the
country after 9/11 while just about everything else was grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad guys -
they were Republican donors!

Guy
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On 1 Sep 2004 05:59:58 -0700, (H) wrote:

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
Ron McKinnon wrote:

[...]
I suggest that, in the future, you do your best to avoid second encounters
with stupid people driving cars (assuming the first encounter was forced
upon you). It can't be good policy for a cyclist.



I agree. People are crazy. Its not even worth it (and not effective)
to assert your rights to someone who is enraged about something else
in their life and is taking it out on you with road rage.

The fact that the guy had plenty of room to pass or at worst was
slowed down for a couple of seconds demonstrates that this is not
about traffic with the road-rager. He has something else going on, and
it is best not to get involved in his problems. You won't "teach" him
anything and risk more than you than expect.


-H.

One of the problems with maintaining one's cool, though is that when one is
riding all systems are in high gear, including the adrenaline, and as a
result there's the sense that you can take on the world.

However, I think Chris Carmichael says it best:

"Resist making an obscene gesture or shouting a profanity...You may think
you're doling out punisment but psychologists say otherwise. It actually
tells the driver that he succeeded, and this encourages the same behavior.
The best response is no response. Keep riding as if nothing happened."
-pg51
The Lance Armstrong Performance Program by Lance Armstrong, Chris
Carmichael.

The key phrase, for me, is 'this encourges the same behavior'...towards
other bikers, or towards yourself should you encounter the cager in the
future.

I try to tap into the aggressive counter-response and ride harder, which is
what I think most experienced road-riders do. (easier said than done, I
realize.) ;-)

-B
(Of course later, Chris advises that one should be prepared to get a
description and license number if necessary, and be prepared phone in a
report. When I'm going on a long ride I pack a pencil and pad and hope to
concentrate on getting the number and hope it helps defuse the anger with
postive action, etc.)

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad
guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From /59
Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly
into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After
the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin
Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of
Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to
national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the
TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist
Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight
manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six
flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11 attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To
date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "NYRides"
wrote:

It seems that most urban riders are much more aware of safe and legal riding
techniques, but I've certainly seen a lot of oblivious peddlers in New York
City. This ****es ME off -- and I'm a cyclist. I can't imagine how it irks
a driver who only wishes he/she had a bicycle!

I slightly disagree. In my experience, most drivers have very few
encounters with bikers. I've been driving for 35 years and have rarely
encountered a biker on the road, and never encountered one that irritated
me for any reason; much the same way we hardly ever see an accident
actually happen when driving, yet they're extremely common.

However I get your point and don't have an argument with that.

-B

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been bad
guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From /59
Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly
into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After
the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly
Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14
and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin
Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of
Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening
of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to
national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to
the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the
26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything
about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the
TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist
Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight
manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF
watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six
flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11
attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To
date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be taken
with a grain of salt.

--
Bob in CT
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Bob in CT wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, S o r n i
wrote:

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Mike wrote:

Ken (NY)
Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

PArticularly if by "bin Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family
who are such good and loyal friends of Dubya that they were allowed
to flee the country after 9/11 while just about everything else was
grounded...

Apparently the CIA were none too happy that they were not allowed to
interview these folks. But hey, they couldn't possibly have been
bad guys - they were Republican donors!

This was one of the first and easiest of MM's lies to expose. From
/59 Deceits/ by Dave Kopel
(http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm):

"No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted
to fly into, out of, or within the United States until September 13,
2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142
people, mostly Saudi
Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September
14 and
24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United
States
on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama
Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered
flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before
the reopening of
national airspace.
The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials,
primarily
the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a
threat to national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI
with regard to the
9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the
142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including
22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers
stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew
anything about
terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin
Ladin
flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether
the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the
Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on
the flight manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current
TIPOFF watchlist.
There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these
six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the
9/11 attacks,
or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks.
To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this
conclusion."



But again, why let the truth intrude on your outrage?



Bill "read the rest of it while you're at it" S.



While you may be right, anything that comes from the FBI has to be
taken with a grain of salt.

It comes from Dave Kopel, who hardly just accepts spoon-fed information, but
rather appears to really investigate hard facts from many sources.

Bill "anything that comes from MM has to be taken with a /pallet/ of salt"
S.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, "S o r n i" wrote:

Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26
people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin
flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated
that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about
terrorist activity.

ROTFLMAO

Oh, so that's all right then.

It doesn't even say they stated that they *hadn't* had contact with Bin Laden,
or *didn't* know anything about terrorist activities.

Just that the didn't say they *had* (I wonder if they were actually asked).

ROTFLMAO some more.

I can just picture the scene:

Bush (to head of FBI) Just go and ask those Saudi folk about what they had for
breakfast (in detail), and if they don't actually admit to chatting to Osama in
the last few days, or engaging in terrorist activity, you can let them go.

Bugs Bunny said it best: "What a maroon".

--
Dave

All road ragers are acting like babies. "I don't want things the way they
are, and I'm going to blame you!" is written into each road rager's
personality. Things like forgiveness and flexibility are not there.


yep I had some lady in a big pickup at a 4 way stop the two cars on the sides
went. I was going straight she turning left. she turned right in front of me an
with a **** eating grin flipped me off. talk about child like.

--
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See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

Dave Mount wrote:
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:42 GMT, "S o r n i"
wrote:

Thirty of the 142
people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of
the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the
Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the
passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin
Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.

ROTFLMAO

Oh, so that's all right then.

You snipped the claim that this was refuting. ("PArticularly if by "bin
Laden" you mean the Saudi bin Laden family who are such good and loyal
friends of Dubya that they were allowed to flee the country after 9/11 while
just about everything else was grounded...")

It isn't true.

Bill "I know it doesn't please you to read facts" S.