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another case of clinical "asthma"
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended
Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the name of the product. Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the name of the product.*** *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! Thanks, Kayle.”* ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies here. |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
On Dec 2, 7:18*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande * * *holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note * * *that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I * * *owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î I was about to say 'bravo' for the humor. But then I saw that is actually in the article. It's still funny though. (I wonder, did Papp provide the pic and the note?) |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the name of the product.*** *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! Thanks, Kayle.”* ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies here. Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. But then he realized he didn't bother to get the doctor's note. But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx from any doctor. No doubt about it. None. And the USADA would have given him the TUE. My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he doesn't have asthma? Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING? Thanks, Magilla |
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On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended * * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of * * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never * * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later * * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had * * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the * * name of the product.*** * * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding * * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: * * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! * * Thanks, Kayle.”* ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies here. Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he didn't bother to get the doctor's note. But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given him the TUE. My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING? Thanks, Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol' cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then. |
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Scott wrote: On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended * * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of * * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never * * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later * * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had * * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the * * name of the product.*** * * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding * * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: * * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! * * Thanks, Kayle.”* ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies here. Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he didn't bother to get the doctor's note. But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given him the TUE. My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING? Thanks, Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol' cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then. Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is just a ruse. Magilla |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
MagillaGorilla wrote:
Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is just a ruse. Would a ruse by any other name still smell as sweet? -- Bill Asher |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
MagillaGorilla wrote:
snip Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î Amazing. Actually the amazing thing is that it took this long. Here's the CAS ruling: http://tinyurl.com/6kx99r |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:20:55 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote: On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Carl Sundquist wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended * * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of * * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never * * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later * * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had * * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the * * name of the product.*** * * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding * * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read: * * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! * * Thanks, Kayle.”* ------------------------------ Thanks, Magilla Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies here. Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he didn't bother to get the doctor's note. But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given him the TUE. My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING? Thanks, Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol' cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then. I was in the parking lot of a race in Maine around that time, and one of the best regional guys says out loud to everyone -- hey, I forgot my inhaler, does anyone have any Ventolin? (I think that's what he said). Which I though was odd. But what was odder was that a bunch of "I do" came from different directions in the parking lot. |
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another case of clinical "asthma"
William Asher wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is just a ruse. Would a ruse by any other name still smell as sweet? Is ruse a product of Schwartzsoft? |
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