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Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital following crashin Fleet



 
 
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Old February 18th 20, 12:36 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 17/02/2020 22:46, JNugent wrote:
On 17/02/2020 08:14, TMS320 wrote:
On 16/02/2020 23:36, JNugent wrote:
On 16/02/2020 14:42, TMS320 wrote:
On 16/02/2020 13:00, JNugent wrote:
On 16/02/2020 12:45, TMS320 wrote:
On 16/02/2020 11:56, JNugent wrote:
On 15/02/2020 18:05, TMS320 wrote:

If an applicant answered the question "Can you meet the legal
eyesight standards for driving using glasses or corrective lenses
if needed?" with a "No", would the provisional licence be granted?

If a provisional licence is issued on wrong information, the
applicant would not be able to complete the driving test.

If he has been banned from driving in (say) Australia or Iraq, how
will that physically prevent him from taking, and even passing, a
UK test?

I was replying to the matter of eyesight.

That's easy. Just send a ringer along to take the test. Remember: the
test procedure relies upon the honesty of the applicant.


I understand they have become wise to this. But we are still only at
the identity stage, just like every other dealing.

The requirements (for a person correctly identified) to get a driving
licence remain unique.


"correctly identified"

In any true/false procedure a false means that subsequent tests
don't need to be done. Letters need to be sent out either way so
it's difficult to see where cost is added.

You are assuming honest answers to questions where a truthful
answer will mean refusal.

Obviously. Cost comes from letting dishonesty succeed, not from
turning an application down. A doctor's note (barring the doctor
also being dishonest) would make it more difficult for the applicant
to be dishonest.

A doctor's note saying what?

That the patient is fit and well?


Whatever is done for commercial drivers.


...which relies upon the honesty of the applicant and that of the person
signing as a doctor.


I can state with absolute certainty that the medical side of the HGV
licence requirements is pathetic, basically a quick blood pressure
check, and "are you well? Pay 40 quid and you get your ticket.
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Old February 18th 20, 10:34 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital following crash in Fleet

On 17/02/2020 23:36, MrCheerful wrote:
On 17/02/2020 22:46, JNugent wrote:
On 17/02/2020 08:14, TMS320 wrote:


Whatever is done for commercial drivers.


...which relies upon the honesty of the applicant and that of the
person signing as a doctor.


....and reduces the dishonest applicants that can't find a dishonest doctor.

I can state with absolute certainty that the medical side of the HGV
licence requirements is pathetic, basically a quick blood pressure
check, and "are you well? Pay 40 quid and you get your ticket.


If you're the sort of person that's been on a doctor's books for years,
but the doctor hasn't got a clue who you are, it's bound to be a simple
formality.
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Old February 18th 20, 10:40 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 18/02/2020 09:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/02/2020 23:36, MrCheerful wrote:
On 17/02/2020 22:46, JNugent wrote:
On 17/02/2020 08:14, TMS320 wrote:


Whatever is done for commercial drivers.

...which relies upon the honesty of the applicant and that of the
person signing as a doctor.


...and reduces the dishonest applicants that can't find a dishonest doctor.

I can state with absolute certainty that the medical side of the HGV
licence requirements is pathetic, basically a quick blood pressure
check, and "are you well? Pay 40 quid and you get your ticket.


If you're the sort of person that's been on a doctor's books for years,
but the doctor hasn't got a clue who you are, it's bound to be a simple
formality.


In those exact circumstances, it shouldn't be.
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Old February 18th 20, 04:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 18/02/2020 09:40, JNugent wrote:
On 18/02/2020 09:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/02/2020 23:36, MrCheerful wrote:
On 17/02/2020 22:46, JNugent wrote:
On 17/02/2020 08:14, TMS320 wrote:


Whatever is done for commercial drivers.

...which relies upon the honesty of the applicant and that of the
person signing as a doctor.


...and reduces the dishonest applicants that can't find a dishonest
doctor.

I can state with absolute certainty that the medical side of the HGV
licence requirements is pathetic, basically a quick blood pressure
check, and "are you well? Pay 40 quid and you get your ticket.


If you're the sort of person that's been on a doctor's books for
years, but the doctor hasn't got a clue who you are, it's bound to be
a simple formality.


In those exact circumstances, it shouldn't be.


When the medical was done done by own GP, the inspection was thorough
and took about 45 minutes, and cost about 90 quid. Since I had to pay,
I looked for a cheaper alternative and googled hgv medical till I found
one cheaper, the doc rents a space in a church hall and books a few in,
charges about 30 quid and takes 5 minutes each.
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Old February 18th 20, 09:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 18/02/2020 15:54, MrCheerful wrote:

When the medical was done done by own GP, the inspection was thorough
and took about 45 minutes, and cost about 90 quid.Â* Since I had to pay,
I looked for a cheaper alternative and googled hgv medical till I found
one cheaper, the doc rents a space in a church hall and books a few in,
charges about 30 quid and takes 5 minutes each.


Oh well, something learned every day though it ought to be possible to
do a bit more than check BP in 5 minutes. At least, it must mean that
those that reached the location might still be a little way from death's
door.
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Old February 19th 20, 12:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Pedestrian and cyclist taken to Frimley Park Hospital followingcrash in Fleet

On 18/02/2020 15:54, MrCheerful wrote:
On 18/02/2020 09:40, JNugent wrote:
On 18/02/2020 09:34, TMS320 wrote:
On 17/02/2020 23:36, MrCheerful wrote:
On 17/02/2020 22:46, JNugent wrote:
On 17/02/2020 08:14, TMS320 wrote:

Whatever is done for commercial drivers.

...which relies upon the honesty of the applicant and that of the
person signing as a doctor.

...and reduces the dishonest applicants that can't find a dishonest
doctor.

I can state with absolute certainty that the medical side of the HGV
licence requirements is pathetic, basically a quick blood pressure
check, and "are you well? Pay 40 quid and you get your ticket.

If you're the sort of person that's been on a doctor's books for
years, but the doctor hasn't got a clue who you are, it's bound to be
a simple formality.


In those exact circumstances, it shouldn't be.


When the medical was done done by own GP, the inspection was thorough
and took about 45 minutes, and cost about 90 quid.Â* Since I had to pay,
I looked for a cheaper alternative and googled hgv medical till I found
one cheaper, the doc rents a space in a church hall and books a few in,
charges about 30 quid and takes 5 minutes each.


Interesting, and it immediately puts a question mark on the value of
medical certificates provided by such means. In any circumstance where a
doctor (even the applicant's GP) is providing such a service, whether
for £30 or £90, its value falls to be questioned as a matter of course.
No wonder the social security system long ago decided that it is
necessary, in some cases, to appoint sessional medical staff for
independent examinations of people who have been "off sick" for
unconscionable lengths of time.

 




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