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On Sat, 25 May 2019 14:16:23 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2019 10:10:50 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Actually if one selects the proper size hose clamp there shouldn't be any "long end sticking out". and they do come in different sizes :-) The height of the hose clamp head is about 12 mm. I tried to position the clamp head under the water bottle, but the 12 mm was higher than the space between the water bottle and the down tube. So, the clamp was installed with the head on the side of the down tube. (There were two back to back water bottles attached with two clamps). The end of the stainless strap can be adjusted to hide under the projecting adjustment screw. Like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71%2BzOxf-hBL._SX425_.jpg Problem was that I couldn't break off the excess strap length with the pliers in that position. I would have needed to mark the desired length, unscrew the strap completely, break off the excess, and put it back together. However, I didn't, resulting a later readjustment causing the strap to project beyond the screw head. It is called "proper installation", i,e. making sure that everything fits properly and there aren't any sharp ends sticking out. It may take a while, but eventually you will learn that it is much, much, more pleasant to install things properly rather then limp around wounded all the time :-) If I had to do it again, I probably would try one of these "clamp jackets": https://www.clampjacket.com Please note the availability of such a solution to this alleged non-problem suggests that the problem might be quite real. https://store.pyiinc.com/collections/clamp-jacket/products/clamp-jackets $6 for 25 pcs in 1/2". -- cheers, John B. |
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#142
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On 5/25/2019 6:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 05:37:07 -0700, sms wrote: On 5/24/2019 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2019 08:08:37 +0700, John B. wrote: I just had a look at Amazon and a Kennedy "machining's tool box is almost $600 :-( I paid $35 for my first one in about 1970. I currently have 3 of them, including one copy my father made from mahogany. They can be had used on eBay for $100 to $150 including shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kennedy+520+machinist+tool+box or new from various sources for $300 to $400: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=shop&q=kennedy+machinist+tool+box+520 I'll reply to accusations of ineptitude for failing to deburr the hose clamp later. Verrry bizzeee for a few daze. Or at least put some heat shrink tubing over the end. I find all this emotion about hose clamps to be a bit... well amateurish. After all the aircraft I used to work on were full of hose clamps and no one seemed to get injured. See https://tinyurl.com/y5xmgp8t https://tinyurl.com/y66v5o3u https://tinyurl.com/yxrk5wps Maybe if we get the "safety" nannies to focus on hose clamps, they'll leave bicycles alone! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 05:33:28 +0700, John B.
wrote: I find all this emotion about hose clamps to be a bit... well amateurish. After all the aircraft I used to work on were full of hose clamps and no one seemed to get injured. See https://tinyurl.com/y5xmgp8t https://tinyurl.com/y66v5o3u https://tinyurl.com/yxrk5wps Did anyone ride on top of the diesel or aircraft engines? If they did, I suspect that the injury rate from hose clamp slashes might be somewhat higher. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 25 May 2019 20:38:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: Maybe if we get the "safety" nannies to focus on hose clamps, they'll leave bicycles alone! Well, we could add a safety wire to the hose clamp: "Safety Wire Those Worm Drive Clamps" https://avidflyer.fandom.com/wiki/Safety_Wire_Those_Worm_Drive_Clamps Maybe start with a wave of horror stories about cyclists injured by running over water bottles that had fallen off insecure bottle cages attached with unsafe non-wired hose clamps. I'll volunteer my two hose clamp injuries to start the campaign for safer water bottle mounting clamps. If that gets the attention of the media or aftermarket bicycle accessory market, maybe we can commission a survey of volunteer cyclists to count the number of hose clamps found on the road, some of which probably fell off of water bottle cage mounts. By offering a bounty for hose clamps found, statistically relevant figures can be manufactured errr... determined. Nothing is sacred when safety when invoked in the name of safety. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 25 May 2019 20:38:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 5/25/2019 6:33 PM, John B. wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2019 05:37:07 -0700, sms wrote: On 5/24/2019 7:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2019 08:08:37 +0700, John B. wrote: I just had a look at Amazon and a Kennedy "machining's tool box is almost $600 :-( I paid $35 for my first one in about 1970. I currently have 3 of them, including one copy my father made from mahogany. They can be had used on eBay for $100 to $150 including shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kennedy+520+machinist+tool+box or new from various sources for $300 to $400: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=shop&q=kennedy+machinist+tool+box+520 I'll reply to accusations of ineptitude for failing to deburr the hose clamp later. Verrry bizzeee for a few daze. Or at least put some heat shrink tubing over the end. I find all this emotion about hose clamps to be a bit... well amateurish. After all the aircraft I used to work on were full of hose clamps and no one seemed to get injured. See https://tinyurl.com/y5xmgp8t https://tinyurl.com/y66v5o3u https://tinyurl.com/yxrk5wps Maybe if we get the "safety" nannies to focus on hose clamps, they'll leave bicycles alone! Or do it like the airplane people do and have an inspector inspect everything and if it isn't "right" it gets done again. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 24 May 2019 06:04:49 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote: Please note, "RECTANGULAR NOTCHES" not drilled holes. Unless, of course, you anticipate cutting rectangular holes to install the cylindrical revnuts. Square Hole Drill-bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALiqAXiTQBg Drilling Square Holes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 25 May 2019 19:36:11 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2019 20:38:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Maybe if we get the "safety" nannies to focus on hose clamps, they'll leave bicycles alone! Well, we could add a safety wire to the hose clamp: "Safety Wire Those Worm Drive Clamps" https://avidflyer.fandom.com/wiki/Safety_Wire_Those_Worm_Drive_Clamps Maybe start with a wave of horror stories about cyclists injured by running over water bottles that had fallen off insecure bottle cages attached with unsafe non-wired hose clamps. I'll volunteer my two hose clamp injuries to start the campaign for safer water bottle mounting clamps. If that gets the attention of the media or aftermarket bicycle accessory market, maybe we can commission a survey of volunteer cyclists to count the number of hose clamps found on the road, some of which probably fell off of water bottle cage mounts. By offering a bounty for hose clamps found, statistically relevant figures can be manufactured errr... determined. Nothing is sacred when safety when invoked in the name of safety. The is some sort of theory, "Occam's Razor" I believe, that says that the simplest solution is likely to be correct ? A correlation might be "do it the simple way and you won't get hurt". Just stick the damned bottle in your pocket :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 24 May 2019 10:26:31 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote: I was referring to your statement "vent the piece with drainhole(s)" :-) Condensation on boats is a serious problem. I lived on a boat for about 6 months. Without ventilation, mold and mildew formed on all uninsulated surfaces. Plenty of rust and corrosion everywhere. Bicycle frames can have similar condensation problems. All my frames have drain holes mostly because at one time, I stored my bicycles in an unheated shed. It's less of a problem when stored indoors or in an insulated garage. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 25 May 2019 19:53:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2019 06:04:49 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Please note, "RECTANGULAR NOTCHES" not drilled holes. Unless, of course, you anticipate cutting rectangular holes to install the cylindrical revnuts. Square Hole Drill-bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALiqAXiTQBg Drilling Square Holes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI Interesting. Years ago I used a somewhat similar device for drilling square holes in wood. A very limber triangular bit inside a square guide the limited the size of the hole and sheered the hole to an exact size. Probably wouldn't have worked in metal. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:15:45 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 19:53:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2019 06:04:49 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: Please note, "RECTANGULAR NOTCHES" not drilled holes. Unless, of course, you anticipate cutting rectangular holes to install the cylindrical revnuts. Square Hole Drill-bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALiqAXiTQBg Drilling Square Holes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI Interesting. Years ago I used a somewhat similar device for drilling square holes in wood. A very limber triangular bit inside a square guide the limited the size of the hole and sheered the hole to an exact size. Probably wouldn't have worked in metal. -- cheers, John B. IIRC, at one time Quakers building wooden boats/ships used square pegs in round holes because that'd lock the peg more securely. Cheers |
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