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Tom Crispin wrote:
Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. so the greenwich foot tunnel is open, the woolwich tunnel is open, the woolwich ferry is running all the bridges are open and you still want more, what about a sedan chair to take you from your front gate to the other side of the river? Surely the best thing to do, given the dearth of convenient crossings is to move, or ensure that you don't need to cross the river. |
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"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
news:cgC0o.237672$tH4.145303@hurricane... Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. so the greenwich foot tunnel is open, the woolwich tunnel is open, the woolwich ferry is running all the bridges are open and you still want more, what about a sedan chair to take you from your front gate to the other side of the river? Surely the best thing to do, given the dearth of convenient crossings is to move, or ensure that you don't need to cross the river. Or use the tube or bus like normal people. |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:16:57 +0100, JNugent
wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:20:30 +0100, JNugent wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. I am not convinced you are entirely correct. Cycling in the Foot Tunnel is certainly selfish when there are lots of pedestrians around, and there are plenty of signs saying 'No cycling'. However, it takes a by-law to make the riding of bicycles on a footway that is not by the side of the road a criminal matter, and I have not seen any evidence that such a by-law for the Greenwich or Woolwich Foot Tunnels exist. That is no way proves that cycling is permitted, only that I am not *convinced* that cycling in the foot tunnel is illegal. So how does the closure cause any disadvantage to cyclists (other than meaning they have to carry their bikes up and down the staircases as well as push them through the tunnel)? I think that you have answered your own question. Cyclists unable to carry their bikes up and down the shafts were not able to divert northbound to the Rotherhithe Tunnel. It does seem odd that you "wonder" that the Blackwall Tunnel is not opened to cyclists whilst the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel lifts are out of action, because it isn't long ago that you were insisting that due to some alleged lack of regulation and/or signage, the Blackwall Tunnel (northbound) is not closed to sycling in any case. If you can be wrong on that, you can be wrong on the question of whether cycling is permitted in the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel. The northbound Blackwall Tunnel opened to horse, pedestrian, cycle and motor traffic in May 1897. There is a sign at the south end of the northbound tunnel, no cycling except mopeds. http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall8.jpg However, on the main approach to the Blackwall Tunnel, once clear of the section which used to be motorway, there is no indication of a bicycle ban: Start of A102 - used to be A102(M) http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall0.jpg End of what used to be the A102(M) http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall1.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall2.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall3.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall4.jpg Plenty of prohibition notices, but no cyclist prohibition notices. However, the southbound tunnel has plenty of cyclist prohibition notices: http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall5.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall6.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall7.jpg During the Blackwall Tunnel refurbishment works northbound traffic is being diverted via the southbound tunnel which clearly does have a cyclist prohibition. |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:38:15 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:05:23 +0100, "Bill" wrote: "Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Yes, cyclists can use the Woolwich Ferry - but only when the Thames is fog free, the crew aren't on strike, the ferrys' aren't broke and it is inside the ferrys' limited hours of operation. Even then there are often lengthy delays. Nevertheless, if you ignorethe above and the surly attitude of the crew, the Woolwich Ferry is a delight for cyclists to use. So the same restrictions as for cars then. Car drivers have the alternative of the Blackwall Tunnel to travel southbound, and the Dartford River Crossing is just half a gallon of fuel diversion. |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:16:08 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: what about a sedan chair to take you from your front gate to the other side of the river? Funny you should say that! http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...l/cablecar.pdf |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:16:57 +0100, JNugent wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:20:30 +0100, JNugent wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. I am not convinced you are entirely correct. Cycling in the Foot Tunnel is certainly selfish when there are lots of pedestrians around, and there are plenty of signs saying 'No cycling'. However, it takes a by-law to make the riding of bicycles on a footway that is not by the side of the road a criminal matter, and I have not seen any evidence that such a by-law for the Greenwich or Woolwich Foot Tunnels exist. That is no way proves that cycling is permitted, only that I am not *convinced* that cycling in the foot tunnel is illegal. So how does the closure cause any disadvantage to cyclists (other than meaning they have to carry their bikes up and down the staircases as well as push them through the tunnel)? I think that you have answered your own question. Cyclists unable to carry their bikes up and down the shafts were not able to divert northbound to the Rotherhithe Tunnel. It does seem odd that you "wonder" that the Blackwall Tunnel is not opened to cyclists whilst the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel lifts are out of action, because it isn't long ago that you were insisting that due to some alleged lack of regulation and/or signage, the Blackwall Tunnel (northbound) is not closed to sycling in any case. If you can be wrong on that, you can be wrong on the question of whether cycling is permitted in the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel. The northbound Blackwall Tunnel opened to horse, pedestrian, cycle and motor traffic in May 1897. There is a sign at the south end of the northbound tunnel, no cycling except mopeds. http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall8.jpg However, on the main approach to the Blackwall Tunnel, once clear of the section which used to be motorway, there is no indication of a bicycle ban: That doesn't matter. If cycling is prohibited on the part that used to have motorway status, then since that is the only approach you are describing, the tunnel cannot be reached without passing a sign that prohibits cycling. Start of A102 - used to be A102(M) http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall0.jpg And there's a sign right there, prohibiting pedestrians and cyclists from proceeding onto the A102 from the A2. They must use the A2 sliproad. End of what used to be the A102(M) http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall1.jpg That doesn't matter. You can't get to there without failing to comply with the prohibition of cycling on the former A102(M). http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall2.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall3.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall4.jpg Plenty of prohibition notices, but no cyclist prohibition notices. So why do you take issue with cycling prohibition in the northbound tunnel if (as you claim), cycling isn't prohibited in that tunnel, and is only prohibited on the approach road, A102? Why don't you just use that tunnel? However, the southbound tunnel has plenty of cyclist prohibition notices: http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall5.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall6.jpg http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...blackwall7.jpg During the Blackwall Tunnel refurbishment works northbound traffic is being diverted via the southbound tunnel which clearly does have a cyclist prohibition. So which is it? Is cycling prohibited or not? If it isn't, your complaint about the lack of the Rotherhithe Tunnel for cyclists is looking less solid. |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:38:15 +0100, Tony Dragon wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:05:23 +0100, "Bill" wrote: "Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Yes, cyclists can use the Woolwich Ferry - but only when the Thames is fog free, the crew aren't on strike, the ferrys' aren't broke and it is inside the ferrys' limited hours of operation. Even then there are often lengthy delays. Nevertheless, if you ignorethe above and the surly attitude of the crew, the Woolwich Ferry is a delight for cyclists to use. So the same restrictions as for cars then. Car drivers have the alternative of the Blackwall Tunnel to travel southbound, and the Dartford River Crossing is just half a gallon of fuel diversion. That's £3 + £1.50 unless the journey is done late at night. If they charged you £4.50 to cross the Thames one way, would you consider that fair? |
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On Jul 18, 6:56*am, Doug wrote:
On 18 July, 01:10, Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. This clearly illustrates the dearth of river crossings for cyclists in relation to those for motorists. No surprise there then, as usual. UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others. Both cyclists & motorists may use the Greenwich tunnel. |
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JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:38:15 +0100, Tony Dragon wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:05:23 +0100, "Bill" wrote: "Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Yes, cyclists can use the Woolwich Ferry - but only when the Thames is fog free, the crew aren't on strike, the ferrys' aren't broke and it is inside the ferrys' limited hours of operation. Even then there are often lengthy delays. Nevertheless, if you ignorethe above and the surly attitude of the crew, the Woolwich Ferry is a delight for cyclists to use. So the same restrictions as for cars then. Car drivers have the alternative of the Blackwall Tunnel to travel southbound, and the Dartford River Crossing is just half a gallon of fuel diversion. That's £3 + £1.50 unless the journey is done late at night. If they charged you £4.50 to cross the Thames one way, would you consider that fair? And there is no charge for cyclists. -- Tony Dragon |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:16:08 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: what about a sedan chair to take you from your front gate to the other side of the river? Funny you should say that! http://www.britishschoolofcycling.co...l/cablecar.pdf And you would not be allowed to cycle on that, except perhaps on the suspension wire. -- Tony Dragon |
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