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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36:
From a friend: I went on a tour of our parks and forests with PNEAC in areas I normally would not go, as it is considered more neighbourhood forested areas at end of streets, cul-de-sacs, etc. and places I do not know about. We looked at the most devastating thing in our forest. A mountain bike bmx dirt jum area that was a large as a football field built around trees, etc. in that part of the forest in the Mt. Seymour area, next door to Fromme. It had ramps and walls to jump off -- all dirt dug from the forest floor, etc. The DNV Parks people said they could not charge anyone because they did not know who did it (so lame, as anyone using it is breaking the law). Meanwhile during the fire hazard warning not to smoke cigarettes in the forest we noted one of the mtb bmx'ers (bmx'ing with mountain bikes) smoking a cigarette, and the head guy of parks did not do anything about it. I cannot explain how bad it is but picture what they have done to the Appalachian mountains for strip mining coal, plus the odd tree in between the jumps and ramps, etc. You have got a pretty good picture. It is devastating, and not a finger has been lifted by the Parks people or the apathetic neighbourhood living right next to this monstrousity! I will be going back in with my camera with the Mayor, if possible, and will send you it. I have never seen such devastation in my life to a forest land. It rivals the structures in Mt. Fromme. What I do not understand is how the DNV Parks people let this one continue to the extent it did. I had not heard of it until last night. I feel pretty sick about it. Why are people so apathetic about this kind of thing? I wonder what else is out there I do not know about. At this rate, the forest in DNV might as well become one large adventure and amusement park. I am also pretty angry right now at the Parks people who let this kind of thing happen without lifting a finger to stop it, telling me that the local kids want to have something close to their neighbourhoods. So lame! Sometimes I wish I didn't know about this. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36: From a friend: I went on a tour of our parks and forests with PNEAC in areas I normally would not go, as it is considered more neighbourhood forested areas at end of streets, cul-de-sacs, etc. and places I do not know about. We looked at the most devastating thing in our forest. A mountain bike bmx dirt jum area that was a large as a football field built around trees, etc. in that part of the forest in the Mt. Seymour area, next door to Fromme. It had ramps and walls to jump off -- all dirt dug from the forest floor, etc. The DNV Parks people said they could not charge anyone because they did not know who did it (so lame, as anyone using it is breaking the law). Meanwhile during the fire hazard warning not to smoke cigarettes in the forest we noted one of the mtb bmx'ers (bmx'ing with mountain bikes) smoking a cigarette, and the head guy of parks did not do anything about it. I cannot explain how bad it is but picture what they have done to the Appalachian mountains for strip mining coal, plus the odd tree in between the jumps and ramps, etc. You have got a pretty good picture. It is devastating, and not a finger has been lifted by the Parks people or the apathetic neighbourhood living right next to this monstrousity! I will be going back in with my camera with the Mayor, if possible, and will send you it. I have never seen such devastation in my life to a forest land. It rivals the structures in Mt. Fromme. What I do not understand is how the DNV Parks people let this one continue to the extent it did. I had not heard of it until last night. I feel pretty sick about it. Why are people so apathetic about this kind of thing? I wonder what else is out there I do not know about. At this rate, the forest in DNV might as well become one large adventure and amusement park. I am also pretty angry right now at the Parks people who let this kind of thing happen without lifting a finger to stop it, telling me that the local kids want to have something close to their neighbourhoods. So lame! Sometimes I wish I didn't know about this. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande "I cannot explain how bad it is but picture what they have done to the Appalachian mountains for strip mining coal" Mountain bikers are now strip mining for coal in the Appalachian's? "I feel pretty sick about it" Good, if it makes you sick, it does have some value. |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
Mike Vandeman wrote: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36: From a friend: I went on a tour of our parks and forests with PNEAC in areas I normally would not go, as it is considered more neighbourhood forested areas at end of streets, cul-de-sacs, etc. and places I do not know about. We looked at the most devastating thing in our forest. A mountain bike bmx dirt jum area that was a large as a football field built around trees, etc. in that part of the forest in the Mt. Seymour area, next door to Fromme. It had ramps and walls to jump off -- all dirt dug from the forest floor, etc. The DNV Parks people said they could not charge anyone because they did not know who did it (so lame, as anyone using it is breaking the law). Meanwhile during the fire hazard warning not to smoke cigarettes in the forest we noted one of the mtb bmx'ers (bmx'ing with mountain bikes) smoking a cigarette, and the head guy of parks did not do anything about it. I cannot explain how bad it is but picture what they have done to the Appalachian mountains for strip mining coal, plus the odd tree in between the jumps and ramps, etc. You have got a pretty good picture. It is devastating, and not a finger has been lifted by the Parks people or the apathetic neighbourhood living right next to this monstrousity! I will be going back in with my camera with the Mayor, if possible, and will send you it. I have never seen such devastation in my life to a forest land. It rivals the structures in Mt. Fromme. What I do not understand is how the DNV Parks people let this one continue to the extent it did. I had not heard of it until last night. I feel pretty sick about it. Why are people so apathetic about this kind of thing? I wonder what else is out there I do not know about. At this rate, the forest in DNV might as well become one large adventure and amusement park. I am also pretty angry right now at the Parks people who let this kind of thing happen without lifting a finger to stop it, telling me that the local kids want to have something close to their neighbourhoods. So lame! Sometimes I wish I didn't know about this. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande The fact that you have friends amazes me and the fact that they're Canadian reflects poorly on that country. We all know that you believe humans should live in Area A and Area B should be left to mother nature, with no merging of the zones, but as this is never going to happen (well maybe in California) what would you consider the lesser of two evils. An area cleared (of all trees and undergrowth) for a football field plus another area (twice the size) cleared for parking, stands and amenities OR a football field sized area cleared of 'some' undergrowth and no trees for an mtb jump zone. Which one of these two areas would recover fastest if left unused? Laters, Marz |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
Since when is Canada forestland considered "rainforest"? What are the
coordinates of this alleged destruction? Google sat maps are very detailed for that region. Where is this? Perhaps the exaggeration is tainted by emotion as the DNV did not act in such a manner as this absolutist considered to be called for. You (and those like you) give only as much information as you feel necessary to make your point and exclude real information that counters it. The exclusion of actual locations to verify this "third party" account is suspect. The fact that it references residential proximity also makes the entire account suspect. Wow! Some kids are riding bikes in a vacant lot adjacent to their neighborhood...? Rainforest destruction...? Only MV math can arrive at that answer. |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:33:58 -0700, Mike Vandeman
wrote: http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36: Hell yes!!!! That's a kick ass jump park. Please post directions. Thanks Mikey, you're starting to come around. -- Slack |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
Seymour and Fromme were extensively logged years ago. Most of the
hiking/biking/running/horse trails there are on old skidder and access roads/trails. The community is allowed to access the local forest for leisure, just like they are allowed to access local beaches. Hundreds of people, besides local government, maintain the areas enjoyed by the local people (which they do without cost to anyone). Fromme and Seymour were once bare; now you cannot see any trails from an aerial view because proper management has allowed for a coexistence between natural growth and use of the forests. Your lack of understanding and your spreading of non factual information is overly obvious, as is your hard-on for mountain bikers. Stop being such an ass with your complaints about how forest management should be done in Canada. The DNV said nothing because they are informed and understand what they are doing. Why not put some of your complaints into parking lots, soccer fields, baseball parks, housing, or the Brazilian logging industry. There dealing with forests and land make what occurs in the DNV look like the plucking of a blade of grass from a lawn. "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36: From a friend: |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:06:05 -0400, "S Curtiss"
wrote: Since when is Canada forestland considered "rainforest"? What are the coordinates of this alleged destruction? Google sat maps are very detailed for that region. Where is this? Perhaps the exaggeration is tainted by emotion as the DNV did not act in such a manner as this absolutist considered to be called for. You (and those like you) give only as much information as you feel necessary to make your point and exclude real information that counters it. The exclusion of actual locations to verify this "third party" account is suspect. The fact that it references residential proximity also makes the entire account suspect. Wow! Some kids are riding bikes in a vacant lot adjacent to their neighborhood...? Rainforest destruction...? Only MV math can arrive at that answer. It was virgin rainforest in BC, destroyed by mountain bikers purely for cheap thrills. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:11:35 GMT, "Roberto Baggio"
wrote: Seymour and Fromme were extensively logged years ago. Most of the hiking/biking/running/horse trails there are on old skidder and access roads/trails. The community is allowed to access the local forest for leisure, just like they are allowed to access local beaches. Hundreds of people, besides local government, maintain the areas enjoyed by the local people (which they do without cost to anyone). Fromme and Seymour were once bare; now you cannot see any trails from an aerial view because proper management has allowed for a coexistence between natural growth and use of the forests. Your lack of understanding and your spreading of non factual information is overly obvious, as is your hard-on for mountain bikers. Stop being such an ass with your complaints about how forest management should be done in Canada. The DNV said nothing because they are informed and understand what they are doing. This destruction of rainforest habitat was done without any permission. Your lame excuses don't hold water. Why not put some of your complaints into parking lots, soccer fields, baseball parks, housing, or the Brazilian logging industry. There dealing with forests and land make what occurs in the DNV look like the plucking of a blade of grass from a lawn. "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . http://photos.nsmb.com/showimage.php?i=5156&c=36: From a friend: === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
Mein Lieben! I've been to that area - have you?
That is not virgin rainforest - those trees are mere 2nd growth sapplings. Anxiously awaiting your canned reply on how I can help with YOUR problem. To put it mildly, you're on crack. "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:06:05 -0400, "S Curtiss" wrote: Since when is Canada forestland considered "rainforest"? What are the coordinates of this alleged destruction? Google sat maps are very detailed for that region. Where is this? Perhaps the exaggeration is tainted by emotion as the DNV did not act in such a manner as this absolutist considered to be called for. You (and those like you) give only as much information as you feel necessary to make your point and exclude real information that counters it. The exclusion of actual locations to verify this "third party" account is suspect. The fact that it references residential proximity also makes the entire account suspect. Wow! Some kids are riding bikes in a vacant lot adjacent to their neighborhood...? Rainforest destruction...? Only MV math can arrive at that answer. It was virgin rainforest in BC, destroyed by mountain bikers purely for cheap thrills. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Mountain Bikers Destroy Rainforest Area as Large as a Football Field!
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:06:05 -0400, "S Curtiss" wrote: Since when is Canada forestland considered "rainforest"? What are the coordinates of this alleged destruction? Google sat maps are very detailed for that region. Where is this? Perhaps the exaggeration is tainted by emotion as the DNV did not act in such a manner as this absolutist considered to be called for. Interesting... You didn't call me out on "rainforest" designation in Canada. I was curious and looked it up. Pacific rim watershed areas along North America are actually classified as "rainforests". Yet you ignore my my mistake to focus on your alleged destruction by "mountain bikers". You (and those like you) give only as much information as you feel necessary to make your point and exclude real information that counters it. The exclusion of actual locations to verify this "third party" account is suspect. The fact that it references residential proximity also makes the entire account suspect. Wow! Some kids are riding bikes in a vacant lot adjacent to their neighborhood...? Rainforest destruction...? Only MV math can arrive at that answer. It was virgin rainforest in BC, destroyed by mountain bikers purely for cheap thrills. "Virgin"...? This close to major population and residential...? To quote the piece you posted: "as it is considered more neighbourhood forested areas at end of streets, cul-de-sacs, etc." You ignore the FACT the area was already compromised by houses, roads, proximity to population and construction. Mountain bikers did not destroy anything. They are utilizing an area that is adjacent to their living area. You ignore my mistake of rainforest designation to continue your microscopic focus on your OPINION that anything concerning bicycles off-road is suspect. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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