The best way to improve safety for cyclists in a city...

....outlaw taxis

:-)

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"Hugh Jass" writes:

"Paul R" wrote
7) Licensing for cyclists - they must prove they know how to ride safely in
traffic


Great points Paul. I think #7 is best in theory

NNNNnnnooooooo!!!!

There has never been a need for formal testing & licensing
of bicyclists -- no more than for pedestrians. To inflict
such formality on just plain gettin' around is just too
majestically overblown.


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"Tom Keats" wrote
"Hugh Jass" writes:

Great points Paul. I think #7 is best in theory


OK. I meant training as opposed to licensing.


NNNNnnnooooooo!!!!

There has never been a need for formal testing & licensing
of bicyclists -- no more than for pedestrians. To inflict
such formality on just plain gettin' around is just too
majestically overblown.


I disagree. I'm on the road most of the day and see so many
people that cannot ride a bike properly. While educating drivers
is paramount, it would be nice as a cyclist if he/she had an instinct
to control a dodgy situation.

Hugh Jass wrote:

When I was about 11 years old, my school had a bike safety course for
an hour
a week for six weeks, after school hours. My mother signed me up coz
I was
spending a lot of time on streets riding my BMX ( the 1st time it was
around -
circa 1982). I was downright embarrassed in front of my friends just
for being
one of the 'geeks' that was taking part, ye know what kids are like.

They did this when I was a kid too. But we all did it, and no one thought it
was geeky. *Most* kids rode bikes to school. Sadly, in the same neighborhood,
almost no kids ride bikes anymore. And nothing has changed to explain this,
except the culture.

Anyway, my point is that more than 20 years later I still remember
little things
from that course ( safe turns/signals/observation etc) and I still
signal automatically, the exact way that we were thought.

Maybe it could be introduced at a young age?

I think this kind of training early on makes kids better drivers later in life.

Matt O.

Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:16:37 -0500, ,
"Matt O'Toole" wrote:


Anyway, my point is that more than 20 years later I still remember
little things
from that course ( safe turns/signals/observation etc) and I still
signal automatically, the exact way that we were thought.

Maybe it could be introduced at a young age?

I think this kind of training early on makes kids better drivers later in life.

Yep, in 2nd year high school driver training, at fifteen and a half
years old, it was like, 'What are you going through all this stuff
for? We learned this on our bikes in third through sixth grade.'

A motorcycle safety course taught me more about driving and riding a
bicycle.
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:42:03 -0500, "Hugh Jass"
wrote:


"Tom Keats" wrote
"Hugh Jass" writes:

Great points Paul. I think #7 is best in theory


OK. I meant training as opposed to licensing.


NNNNnnnooooooo!!!!

There has never been a need for formal testing & licensing
of bicyclists -- no more than for pedestrians. To inflict
such formality on just plain gettin' around is just too
majestically overblown.


I disagree. I'm on the road most of the day and see so many
people that cannot ride a bike properly. While educating drivers
is paramount, it would be nice as a cyclist if he/she had an instinct
to control a dodgy situation.

Oh yeah, licensing will solve that problem. Just as licensing makes
drivers obey the laws and the roads safer.

Michael J. Klein
Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC
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"Paul R" wrote in message
...
What do you think is the best way to improve safety for cyclists in a
city?
Why?

1) Mandatory helmet laws for all cyclists with strict enforcement.
2) Enforce existing laws against drivers.
3) Education for drivers on handling cyclists safely
4) Better traffic planning. Extensive changes to existing infrastructure.
Widen streets or remove extra lane.
5) Extensive system of bike paths
6) Provide significant tax breaks for cyclists
7) Licensing for cyclists -

2, 3, and 4. 6 would be nice.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:42:03 -0500, "Hugh Jass"
wrote:

I'm on the road most of the day and see so many
people that cannot ride a bike properly.

One large study in Oxford showed that about one in four cyclists are
responsible for crashes in which they are injured, but over half of
pedestrians. Pedestrian license anyone?

Guy
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"Hugh Jass" wrote in message ...
...outlaw taxis

:-)

These might be somewhat Toronto specific:

Fix the part of the Canadian federal tax code that allows companies
like UPS to deduct their parking fines from their taxes.

Raise fines and enforce no-parking on major routes during rush hours,
and on bike lanes at all times.

Require Canada Post to stop emptying their mailboxes between 5 and 6
PM (and blocking the streets with their trucks.)

Require the city parking authourity to stop servicing their "Smart
meters" during rush hour (and blocking the streets with their trucks.)

Ban "Sign Trucks."

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message ...
Hugh Jass wrote:

Anyway, my point is that more than 20 years later I still remember
little things
from that course ( safe turns/signals/observation etc) and I still
signal automatically, the exact way that we were thought.

Maybe it could be introduced at a young age?

I think this kind of training early on makes kids better drivers later in life.

Matt O.

Both my sons took bicycle safety when they were boys. Both of them
took the motorcycle safety training course as young men. Ask me what
kind of drivers they are.
My daughter never took a single safety class for riding her bike. She
does not ride a motorcycle...so no safety lessons there.....ask me
what kind of driver she is?
It will definately shoot down your theory.
You can put a person in a safety class, tie him to the chair, force
him to listen......but it beats me what the heck it accomplishes.
Maybe in a perfect world it works for everyone.
Considering both sons skydive and love extreme sports...maybe
personality has something to do with how safely a person drives. If
having fun is jumping out of an airplane, snowboarding, flying down
ramps while skateboarding, and flying through the mud on a dirtbike in
the woods, I don't know how focused you are on staying safe. When they
were boys, a bicycle was not fun unless you built three ramps in the
driveway and tried to jump them on your brand new Mongoose....No
matter how many safety classes you take I do believe personality is a
factor here.
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